grr

How fast does your druid run?

then he'll be shiedless and die in 2-3 hits :)

frw

anywhere from 60%-170% but i only use more if i am dueling another class besides melee

hmm another mit (the barb melee supremacy) has falen
:(
this is a gotterdammerung :(
grr
anyway man i hope u'r not going to get pissed again but..
maind u that baba always spin... and u can do nothing while he's spining ... and he can use a 5 range wep too ..and he can hit 6 times /spin ... 30-50 ll
spin spined :)))
regular verb :p
O_o

....what?

trained imp ? what does this title mean

thor: its a "level" name based on #posts you have.

whirlwind is uninterruptable, But you can still get hit, especially if you are 2handed, get your facts right buddy even if you get -60 wias on your 2hander you will Still only be swingging 5 times per whirl, and if you don't do short whirls , that is if you try to keep whirling, your mana will run out and leave you vunerable

duel a good druid and come back/

It is funny to see how a baba finished his WW and fall down on the ground with that cry...

But it's true that a good druid is not easy at all to find on b.net.

good legit is Even more rare...

the druid population has gone down hill since last july...

the only people playing druids, are newer people who don't know much yet, l33t hackers, and ebay paladins gone furry.

don't mean to nitpick but,
with a range 5 weapon, a 2handed baba hits 7 times per whirl.
It's 2 + X range to determine the number of hits a baba does in one whirlwind to a single opponent.

if hes 2handed he'll have less life then me and lower damage to. i have nothing to be scared of either way -_-

if i was a baba i'd never go two handed against a zeal type melee opponent with a shield, if i'm shield equiptable. I'd only go two handed if you went two handed


baba > druids
just accept it, im a druid too.

ss baba
eth buggers
moving attack
uninterruptable
5 hits
range 3
100% crit/deadly
same life
MORE DAMAGE
anywhere from 3k-25k defence
kills summons without penalty

vs.

ss druid
AR based
stand still attack
often interrupted attack, fastest fhr
5 or less hits
range 1-2
50% deadly
same life
LESS DAMAGE
1.5k-2k defence


if you're thinking about going to a strength build the baba can do the same... damn BvB's are all bullies!! ;_;

they don't have less life
i had a pvp custom superior 15%ed ghost spear baba.

don't double post pls

and yes if a barb expects to take more than 2-3 hits he'll be using gaze, string, shaft and with those kind of items your not going to get over 6.5k life 2handed.

' i had a pvp custom superior 15% ghost spear baba '
good for you? its a nice roboweapon i suppose but it doesn't change anything

with robo zerker its not hard to get 6k+ fury damage, and it also has 3 range.

yes that weapon is good for me & my own pvp edification and it changes alot:

1.
more lovely statistics
gaze, 100lifeBerBerBerBerArmor, string, 122str 163dex(ghost spear req)
vs
gaze, 100life160/60maxarmor, string, 156str stormshield, 220+ dex(blocking)

do the math, he saves more stat points than you on gear alone, 4 life per vita point charms of equal caliber. Guess what, he out lifes you severely or outdamages you severely, depending on your spirit. Unfortunately you will never out damage or outlife him to an extent that would let you win.
Side note: u know better than to use oak when facing a baba -- i hope.

2handed builds almsot always have more possible life than ss's. i thought everyone knew this...


oh, funny, less dmg than you? East must reflect West in that there are FEW spear/polearm pvp babas--i doubt you've ever faced one so stop making up statistics. don't forget the 7 hits

2.
oh cool, 6.5k life, if that was actually your real life, which i cant really care to believe -- im thinking you forgot to mention in WereBear form, but whatever. you wanna know why i think you're lying about that much life for a wolf? well... the best of the best charms and gear... that describes me about right and i have more BASE vita-- for anyone who wants to know the real items i have, read my guide's "about my druid" section.. many of my items/charms would qualify as the "top 10 <category> in west" if they were ranked. check them out :D

3.
"with robo zerker its not hard to get 6k+ fury damage, and it also has 3 range."

ya, not hard, you also said this on another post:

"to str build druids using robo zerker
5 edias shael
one is using HoW and edmax armor
one is using Oak and edmax armor
one is doing about 1.5k-6k with 2000 life"

side note: if this is even correct, which it isn't, you admitted to fabricating statistics, gj.

Wowzers, wonder what happens when a Str Druid with the silly robo zerker, heh, of all weapons, goes against a Str Baba(a.k.a. BVB BABA)... 8k+dmg(that's right, +, fuck you GIs :]) 2.5k life with all the lovely interrupting/uninterruptable properties of whirlwind vs. 6kdmg 2k life.

heck im sure even tweakers can beat your 2k life str druid, they're getting damn powerful these days. legit ones huge life and huge dmg ethereal cruels, cruels of eviscs, ouch.


you're making "WHAT IFS" without considering the negative affects of that change. there's a balance in this game, to add "strength," u take away "vitality." You're saying your druid can possibly get 6.5k life(doubt it) and possibly 6k damage. WHOOPY, not at the same time... Make up your mind about which you want to sacrifice. Do you know who said the exact same thing about his shaman? alleged 8k life on his shockbear with 3k dmg on his grizzly bear. funny... Not at the same time which he neglects to mention, like you. give you a hint, starts with a G.

stop inflating yourself like a balloon.

fyi- Your best chances against any baba would be a cryptic/shield HoW vita build. your examples of any variation on your own druid's setup, that you don't even have, only reduce the chances of you winning. You use the phase blade - i doubt u beat any babas except newb ones missing some crucial baba dynamic, based on my personal experience and extent of knowledge of this game.

somebody is in serious denial -- is this post druid-beat-down syndrome? go to Darius of the baba forums, or SMW of GI, or YoungBarbarian of TC, with your denial, they'll fix you.

I didn't start playing the druid to make others think that there's an overlooked strength, as special as you want to make it seem. I play druids because I like the way they look in werewolf form.






The Shield/Sword Druid does not have a chance against the Shield/Sword Baba of equal caliber. The 2handed Druid does not have a chance against the Shield/Sword Baba. The 2handed Druid does not have a chance against the 2handed Baba.

you can quote me on that and put a dash by my name.





(p.s. double posting refers to posting the same thing twice, did i? did i click one too many times, so excited! or are you referring to two posts answering different subjects? flexing your mod muscles)

flexing mod muscles, i did say i 'fabricated' the scenario between two types of builds, and seriously you have no Fucking clue what my life is. i didnt say my zerker damage is 6k+ but with a good str setup it is not hard to surpass that, and if you care enough for me to explain

i have used on str builds just nothing i have gone on with, chars that i've retired

and no that is wolf form.

self denial? of what? you are a westie and i accepted your challenge

and since i am the mod make one post and seperate the ideas by a few lines of space k?

Yeah i do have a Fucking clue what your life is. It's not 6.5k in wereform. LIKE I SAID, i have the damn absolute best items on west and im a 2hander(more base vita). wow, isn't this funny, the only people who are able to see through your smeared bs are people more experienced than you and who actually are the best, the idealists... it's great that you've fooled these less experienced THIS long. take that "weregod" off your title, you're an idol god

nobody said YOUR zerker damage was 6k. find me where it says YOU have a zerker with 6k dmg?
"even tweakers can beat your 2k life str druid"
were u referring to this? hahaha, hm maybe i shoulda put YOUR 2k life str druid build, the one YOU suggested, so therefore it is still YOUR, your *o so clever* idea, not your actual druid


oh you accept my challenge?
goodie

3 duels

1. my idealist baba vs any melee druid u wanna make, we can repeat this as many times as u want, equal caliber, bvb builds, tweakers, two handers -- whatever you think is BEST vs a barbarian, except the ccsqS/sHoWVitaDruid - no copying my examples now~!
2. my HoW idealist druid vs any oak druid u wanna make
3. my current 2handed druid vs your current S/S druid(yes i will be checking your druid on east, writing down exact items, to make sure u don't fabricate some items u wish u had)

One catch though, ill make a list of the items for each and YOU gotta create the single player chars for me, unstat-distributed, quested, no skill points distributed, high level 90 something. we can go on modem and watch you deflate. im a lazy bastard. I also think it's appropriate because u are already able to do so, So you said. if you refuse to do so, well i'll just believe you're trying to hide something.


no. it was adressing different people, different times, different ideas, you're picking a fight on something so mundane and insignificant. keep flexing those mod muscles. >:O

Mine are bigger.

I have none... :(

Actually it's quite a simple rule. You don't post after yourself. It's called double posting.