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Jessifer 2004-07-03 11:01 PM

I'm not a religious person at all, but I believe that there's a possibility that there's a higher being. But then again, seeing is believing IMO.

The Bible itself was written by man and therefore has the possibility of having imperfections. It has also been translated so many times that I've given up believing most of the things it has to say. It does however, make for some pretty darn interesting reading material.

Penny_Bags 2004-07-04 12:33 AM

MAC, the thing is, this "god" gave man a freedom to choose. The choices that are made can lead to good or bad things for you and or other people. e.x. someone's choice to murder or commit suicide.

Chew on this madness (bear with me), if you are saying that there is no God because there is too much evil, you are contradicting yourself in a sense. This is because your beliefs about there being a god are based around the notion that a god has to be good and pure. While this could be a way to disprove that there is a Christian God, my original arguement nullifies that statement, because the reason that there is evil (according to Christians) is not because there isn't a god, but because this god gave humans the power to choose, and the brain to decide what is right and wrong. If you are arguing that there is no higher "god" at all, because of all the evil in the world, you are basing your beliefs around a Christian god, and........ I win.

‡AC‡ 2004-07-04 12:50 AM

Who the fuck said I was debateing? I stated my reason for not beliveing in god. No debate intended, you don't win. Eveybody has bad things happen to them in there lives. God is suppose to be good, Thats the basies of most religons. None of my or anyone else's choices has cuased the bad things that have happened in my life. So far I've lost many people for differnt reasons. They havent all died, but they might as well have died. It would have been easier to get over. I won't go into detail, because it would be a very depressing post. Don't try to change my views.

Sovereign 2004-07-04 12:56 AM

I don't believe in god.

D3V 2004-07-04 02:57 AM

I do believe in God because its obvious there is a GOD. I mean, scientifically there may not be any proof, but this universe was started somehow. This whole galaxy was started from somewhere. For all we know we could be a test tube for some fucking aliens and we're just a giant ass science experiment.

God is all around us, all the time. When you do something good, you feel good, that is because god is with you. When you get pissed off , you might say goddamnit. Now, that itself is quite negative, and when you say it you feel bad, thats because you are rejecting god. I dunnon about all of this emotional bullshit, but I feel VERY VERY strongly there is a god.

MenstrualChunks 2004-07-04 08:31 AM

D3V is gay.

KagomJack 2004-07-04 11:30 AM

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I agree, there has to be a God. If the evolutionist theory of everything originating from a single cell is true, then where did that cell come from? Nothing can come from nothing.

Penny_Bags 2004-07-04 11:35 AM

I didn't mean to make it sound like I was debating, sorry about that, I guess the whole I win thing made it sound that way, but I was kidding. I was just speculating... in a sense. I was tired at the time... but anyways, I do believe and god, and that is all, no hard feelings.

Penny_Bags 2004-07-04 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KagomJack
I agree, there has to be a God. If the evolutionist theory of everything originating from a single cell is true, then where did that cell come from? Nothing can come from nothing.

What about God, didn't he "come from nothing"? Why couldn't that single cell do the same?

badboy 2004-07-04 02:19 PM

I believe in the bible and God, but I don't go to church. I hate church, waste of my time. Church people are the worst kind to me. I can't stand their gay ass attitude about everything and the way they treat people. Just makes you think that church is evil in someway.

Xenn 2004-07-04 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KagomJack
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I agree, there has to be a God. If the evolutionist theory of everything originating from a single cell is true, then where did that cell come from? Nothing can come from nothing.

Science has proven that the first living cell was created by a culmination of lightning storms, proteins, and other atmospheric effects from ancient earth.

However, I still believe in a God.

MenstrualChunks 2004-07-04 08:33 PM

Science hasn't proven anything other than the possibility that the origin of life came from those factors, life could have just as easily came to earth aboard a comet, or from an outside source. In a labratory specific conditions can be recreated in which organic molecules are created from simpler molecules in the atmosphere, combine that with a lipid membrane and you have little bubbles of organic molecules that could have possibly turned into the first cell, it is definitely far from having been proven though, it never will be because we can't go back 3 billion years in time.

Jessifer 2004-07-04 09:10 PM

You know, there is a such thing as somewhat of a happy medium in this case. Has anyone ever heard of the term "Theistic Evolutionist"?

A Theistic Evolutionist is a person who believes in God and that He used evolution to create the universe and everything in it.

"At the point in time I came to faith in Jesus Christ as my Savior, my sins were all forgiven, and I was given everlasting life. But something else happened which I was only later to realize. I had gone from being an "agnostic evolutionist" to being a "theistic evolutionist." That meant that now I believed in God and that He used evolution over billions of years to create the universe and everything in it. I honestly believed that evolution was the only scientifically accurate option for how we got here. It was the "Big Bang," plus time, plus chanse. Or, in other words, "nothing plus no one equals everything."

- "The Evolution of a Creationist" by Jobe Martin, D.M.D., ThM.

I borrowed the book from a teacher Freshman year in highschool and then failed to return it.


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