Well, that's fine.

join www.Don'tLinkOtherForums.net then, they joke without the mods or owner getting pissed off :P

A-fucking-men. They're jokes. If you can't take a little ribbing, you need to grow up. I'm sure Kagom at the very least doesn't take these comments to heart.

I really don't take them all to heart. I just get annoyed by the excess. check out rpgsource.net they pick on me, I don't mind.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

I don't mind the occasional joke, but when it's done like, every day, almost every time I post...i just get annoyed.

I've used my sexuality as a joke in my stand-up before.

EXACTLY. Penguin is doing nothing different than what I/Penny/any other member he's alluding to is doing.

What :weird: ? Right to express yourself? Where does that end? Flaming outside of the flame forum is expressing yourself so you should be able to do it? I already told you that it was ok to joke around sometimes but not to a point where you are forcing people to quit. Its that simple. There are rules for a reason. Just like real life, if you express yourself by saying things inappropriate you could end up in trouble for harassment or not abiding by a restraining order.

See above response and see the ignore feature response.

Its called common sense. You know when you are no longer joking and when you are starting to really annoy people. You cannot HARASS people on Zelaron. You can joke around, you can flame them, but harassment is different and it wont be tolerated. All rules have a common sense clause attached.

You dont ignore your problems? Well guess what, I am telling you to ignore him and stop harrassing him. This isent a damn ego war, hes not fighting back, so you can shut the heck up, you are accomplishing NOTHING by going on. Ignore him, hes not talking about you. A "set of balls" makes you pick on people constantly untill they break down? and then you continue to laugh at them? Thats just being an asshole and has nothing to do with it.

You will try to follow the rules given to you. I am not asking you to change who you are, you can turn him on ignore. If I had the ability to ban you from seeing his posts I would. You can turn that on yourself.

I have again responded to Each of your points and countered them. He does not need to change at all because hes not the asshole.

But you have to understand, some people will take things to heart and be really offended. I think that's what he is trying to get at.

So harassment should be ok? :weird:

For the 10th time. A Little is ok.

WHAT?! Seriously, that was completely retarded. If someone slaps a restraining order on you for saying "learn english", or "quit telling us you're bisexual" they will most likely be laughed out of court. Then again if the Mcdonalds coffee suit went through, who knows.


Yeah, exactly we are joking. Get it through your head.


DUR. My problem is you trying to trade my rights off to give another member the exact same rights you're trying to strip me of.


Adding him to my ignore list would very much be chaning who I am, quit asking me to do so.


As have I. Oh, and thinks for calling me an asshole, hypocrite.

I know this Kagom, but you aren't and I'm pretty sure Geekstar isn't either so what is his problem?

Oh so now you are telling them what they are thinking? And would it matter if they are taking offense to it?

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Kagom already said he wasn't, and the pretty sure was there for a reason.
If they were taking offense to it and I knew about it, I would be less frequent with it.

Wow this is getting really drawn out...

That was not my point and again you should have known what I mean (or am I giving you too much credit?) but for arguments sake you took it literally just to be able to respond with that.

You are joking ? What if they say you are not joking? What if they Are offended? It seems they are to me. You dont get to say its just a joke if they dont take it that way.


Everyone has equal rights and that sentence is poorly worded.

If changing who you are means not to make people want to leave zelaron and not to harass them then I am not asking you to, I am telling you to.

So what if its not joking around to the other person? Who gets to choose if its joking around or not. Yes, I want everyone to obey the rules but that does not equal a dead or boring forum. I said your 'fun' was alright in moderation. I am now repeating that like for the 15th time and you are not listening. Before you post , remember what I have said so far and then try to predict what I am going to reply with because if you already know that then you can word your posts better.

They CAN ignore you but its easier and better for everyone if YOU ignored them. You are the instigators, so you should be the ones who ignore him. You say you make fun of everyone but you make fun of some people more then others like geekster for example. Yet geekster does not really fight back; and this somehow encourges you?

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

THE FUCK?! That was supposed to be taken literally. You're saying I may be banned for making jokes, and equating that to the closest thing you could think of in real life.

I know when I'm joking, they don't. End of story. I already said this, if they are being offended and I know about it I will chill, but until then I reserve my right to freedom of speech. If they're saying "stop", that doesn't mean it's offending them, just that they don't like being made fun of. No one does, but if it's honestly bothering them, all they had to do was PM me, telling me it's actually offending them and I would have been doing it less frequently.


That sentence is worded perfectly. You're trying to take my right to say what's on my mind (jokes) so he can say what's on his mind.

No one is leaving Zelaron, quit trying to make this out to be more than it is. He's visiting less frequently because he's busy with his real life.

Shinto you were not even trying on that reply seriously. Geekster is the only one who really does that. I don't even know what else I can reply with because even you know that reply was not suitable. No one member should be more important then another anyway.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Am I the only one who blissfully laughs when foreigners cannot type English properly? Have I lost my marbles?

When I reply to things like this, I give the poster a bit of credit. I think they have logic and know what goes on. Slim, I would honestly think and Hope you would at least get a HINT That he does Not like it and he wants you to stop meaning it Is offending him in some way. If you want to argue with me about this fine but I know I can give you credit for knowing at least that much. Just look at his replies. There is no reason for someone to keep up the insults, when they have already made their point. You said yourself you would cool down if you knew it was offending him, that at least shows you care a little. So from that I think this argument is more of the challenge authority, let me say what I want and that you might actually think the mocking of geekster can stop for a while if hes offended.

From what I was under the impression of earlier from previous posts I did not at all get this feeling. Why does it have to be a PM, you cannot honestly tell me his posts do not tell you that he is probably offended because again I am giving you credit for at least that much?

I do too sometimes but thats really not the point here =/ Its kinda beyond that now.

I've already said that if it's bothering him that much, a simple PM would lax the comments, the fact that he hasn't taken the innitiative to do it just (to me) says that it's not bothering him as much as you think it does. I may be wrong but that's just the way I'm seeing it.

*see above* but again like shinto at least your being more reasonable then before about this. This can now be just a simple misunderstanding or midjudgement as to whether he is offended or not. But from his replies in this thread and others and the main reason hes probably going to be posting less, camon, you know that hes at least offended a bit. Honestly, look at it, you know he is. A PM would just further what I and you should already suspect.

I have now been doing/watching this thread for... 2 hours....

Well, NGM, it's funny for awhile, but after seeing so many posts it starts tweaking my nerves. It's not just me either.

People are different in private than in public, Penguin. In private people take things more seriously. PM is the perfect medium to express to someone that you're going too far. I've settled a couple beefs here through PM, as well as other places.

At one point I despised Sovereign, but now I actually talk to him quite frequently. Same goes for Vollstrecker, though I don't talk to him near as much.

Ok well Geekster may not have known your policy of a PM to have it stop. But he has tried to tell you and everyone else through his replies; I know you have picked up on it because its obvious. Thats part of what sparked this for me anyway, I saw that in his replies and I was pretty sure you guys saw it too but were just ignoring it.

I hate to make this whole thing so... geekster specific because we keep going in and out of general statements and then specific ones to this case when this in fact does and will happen a lot more then just this incident with geekster and all of this applies to those times as well, not just this one.

The point I'm trying to make Penguin, is just chill out. You're acting like the nosey teacher that ticks people off for prying into matters that they have no business in (Admin or not, this is more personal than anything). Titus was ok about it, he basically said chill out. You're telling us "knock it off or I'll ban you", though putting it a bit more eloquently

Time to be serious, for once.

I think it is very fun and entertaining to jokingly insult other members. If it is at their expense, they should just let it slide, in my opinion. However, when someone like Geekstar gets made fun of for having bad English when it isn't his first language, I do see where certain people should allow for some leeway. It is a little ridiculous to bash someone who is pleaing for you to stop. Kagom can take it, we all know that. I am sure he gets a little annoyed, but he's not gonna go kill himself. However, toying with individuals who are just sort of coming around on Zelaron isn't cool. As "Senior Members"... or just fucking decent people, we have the responsibility to care for the feelings of other people, as shitty and homosexual that sounds. Trust me, I am straight, I ate a 20 oz. steak for dinner.

In all honesty guys, just tone it down, being an asshole is fun, when it is creative. Saying "Oh my God this guy is a fucking IMBECILE" right in his eye, not very cool.

















....................shit where the fuck is my saracstic tag.















...............Just kidding, I am actually being serious.

I understand but it is my business if its affecting the forum. Titus didn't stop the comments if you check and I saw what Titus said and understand it. You are telling me to chill out and I am telling you guys to chill out. Everyone needs to chill out. I wouldn't of needed to chill out though if you guys would have chilled out first (titus post) -_-

Listen we have both argued our points and I am still trying to remain sorta neutral and look at it from both sides and we can both see that after all this we have got a lot out and posted. Can we just mutually agree that we just all need to chill out a bit and in the future try to think a little bit more before posting something?

Yeah, after two hours it's getting a bit more like a chore than anything.

Great, let's all agree, and after that mod me.... fuck that... Owner me.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

I didn't bother to read all of that long winded blah, but I'm right.


P.S. Shinto, stop acting like a slaynish.

Shinto, silence.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Well, see ya when I can Geekstar.

I just read the whole thread (was playing tennis for an hour, after i woke up)

I don't really care if people laugh at me and joke about my english and that stuff. But if i fight back i probably get loser'd again or people get mad again because i flamed/insulted them. Ruining my/kagom's threads (the story-game) isnt funny too, it took me like 30 minutes to make up the rules, post the story etc.

The main reason why i wont post that much in future IS because some people don't like it.... or you think im going to be playing tennis whole days ??

And whats the point in PM'ing everyone the same thing :confused:

thanks to pinguin for explaining the whole thing. (im not planning to leave zelaron, im having fun... most of the time)

edit: ill be back in 30-60 minutes
edit2: back

I was right then.