It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Read and weep.

http://www.jimloy.com/physics/4d.htm
http://www.earthascending.com/time/jose2.htm
http://homepage.fcgnetworks.net/usalaw/4d2.htm

Seriously Shinto, time is unanimously accepted in the Physics world as the fourth dimension.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

In the current world we live in, Length, Width, and Depth are the three spacial dimensions. We are also traveling through time. As I'm typing this, I am traveling through time at a certain speed which I believe is determined by relativity. Not everyone travels through time at the same rate.

That's an opinion.

Let's see. How many of us saying time is the fourth dimension...against how many of you saying it isn't?? Hmm??

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

"Wow. OK, let's go over this. If I want to specify an event, I need 4 numbers: latitude, longitude, altitude, and time. Hence four dimensions. Or look at it this way: An object could hardly exist with width and length but no depth; there would literally be no distance between one side and the other! Nor could something exist with length, width, depth, but no duration. It would pop out of existence the same instant it popped into existence! Hence, four dimensions."

This guy is correct.

Whoever the first guy is is an idiot. What he says doesn't even come close to making sense.

He says you "stop" your particles so they are no longer present. This makes no sense.

Oh, and also, he says time is just a measurement of the velocity of an object through the three real dimensions(length width and height). If this were true, velocity would be measured in seconds, not meters/second. Velocity is measured with a combination of space and time(meters[space]/second[time]).

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Reread my post, I made an edit.

Let me clarify what the 2nd guy said, since you seem to be too thick to understand it.

If I'm going to meet you somewhere in our dimension, I have to specify a place(which would be through longitude/latitude/altitude) and a time(like 8:30PM or 124235246 seconds from now). If I just tell you WHERE we are going to meet, then you would have no idea WHEN to go there. If I just told you WHEN we are going to meet, then you wouldn't know WHERE we are going to meet.

Shinto is a fucking moron. We all just need to cope.

His writing is awful, for one thing, and for another.... he gets a fucking boner because he likes to think he has "deep thoughts" what the fuck is it with our new up and coming adolescent elitist pseudo-intellectual society these days? Why is being "deep" so coveted? What the fuck does being "deep" even mean to you? Stop being a flaming jackass. Talking about something that you probably know very little about (this topic) is stupid and boring.

I don't know much about this topic, but what I do know is that you are fucking stupid. It doesn't matter what "number" dimension time is. What's important is that it is obviously a dimension and society found out that it was a dimension after the first three... hence... 4th dimension, dumbass.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

According to that link, time is not a dimension because you cannot travel through time, but in reality, we ARE traveling through time. Right now I am traveling through time. I might not be traveling at an abnormal rate, but I'm traveling through time nonetheless.

Traveling backwards through time is not possible, as the previous has already happened, but traveling forward in time is quite possible, as everyone on earth is proving right now. As you travel closer to the speed of light, you travel through time slower, gradually reaching the point where you are no longer traveling through time at all. It's my guess that it is impossible to reach this point, since if you did, you would just be stuck, since if you aren't moving through time, you cannot move through space either. Anyway, the point is, the faster you are traveling through space, the slower you are traveling through time. Back to relativity.

Dictionary.com's definition of "dimension"

# Physics. A physical property, such as mass, length, time, or a combination thereof, regarded as a fundamental measure or as one of a set of fundamental measures of a physical quantity: Velocity has the dimensions of length divided by time.

A dimension IS a measurement. How do we measure our world? We don't measure it in gallons. Gallons is a dimension, not of our world though. The dimensions of the world we live in are length, width, height, and time.

Just stop arguing this with me. I AM RIGHT.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Just shut up.

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Time has a measurement. Just like width, length, and height. Just because you cant see this measurement doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Time is measured in minutes, seconds, hours, years, and so on, just like width is measured in cm's, m's, and km's.

I'll make it simple for you shinto.

If there wasnt time, the universe would be static, and it would never, EVER change. It is a basis on which things in the universe change.

It IS a dimension.

Crackhead.

Rofl. Width is one of the three first dimensions. Traditionally, it's the first dimension. It's not the 5th dimension. You can't imagine it as the 5th dimension, because you can't name 4 others to go before it.

Can we just ban Shinto from saying the words dimension, space, time, and theory?

Shinto, time is by definition the fourth dimension. If you would like, you could call it the first dimension (I believe), but by convention it is the fourth dimension. You could label it anything you like. You could call it disneyland if you wanted, but in the Physics world, time is the 4th dimension by convention.

Hahahaha, you are so self contradictory... it's awesome. I'm so immature... great gauge of maturity, a gaming forum. Good job. You're a winner. You win so much, that you even manage to contradict yourself and still win.

A couple of the said contradictions:
1. Going off topic in order to bash someone for going off topic
2. Calling me immature and than going on to try and bash me for things that don't even make sense. Oh yeah... I sure LOVE thinking about you having a boner... you fucking fool. I am just talking about how fucking awesome you think you are for having these "deep thoughts". After that I simply questioned what the fuck being "deep" even meant to you, and why it's such a coveted thing.

Dear God, just look at yourself.
"Penny also is immature, in which he complains and nags about topics, which if he has nothing better to say--anything intelligent"
OH MY FUCKING GOD.

Christ, you are worthless. It's not so much of a flame as it is an expression of my distaste for your existence. However, I would still like to know why you think I don't contribute anything to Zelaron. I would also like to know how you can say that I don't say anything intelligent. I mean, self evaluation isn't the most accurate tool, but I am pretty sure if you ask around you'll see that others have a very different opinion of me than you do, emo boi.

I agree. Penny kicks ass.

http://zelaron.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92

PLEEEEEASE.

This thread has actual signs of intelligence from SOME people. I don't want to have to close it >_<

Bitch about it.

Fine... I'll... not win. Besides, originally I was just telling Shinto in a very long winded manner that he was arguing something stupid; the definition of the word.

No fool. Smell is a sense. Not anything like light, which is energy. No one knows if a being can move through a stream of energy.

I believe cryogenics simply slows all of your particles to a point where you are bairly alive, otherwise you would die. But if that wasn't true then yes technically you would be moving into the future while your person stays the exact same. Therefore, if the second paragraph is true as you guys say then the frozen person would stop existing because he has no duration? What defines that you are in the 4th dimension?

......

They freeze you after you die. THey take yoru body down to such a low temperature, that celular decay is almost stopped. You're not alive for any of it. Thats the point.... to freeze yourself after you die so one day you can hopfully be reborn...

Well, now we've got to factor in the "what happens after you die" principles. Are you still traveling into the future, while your body sits still on the dimensional timeline.

It doesn't matter what your body does.

It doesn't matter if you can travel more than one direction on the timeline.

It doesn't matter how do you it.

You, me, and everything else in this existence travels forward at the same (neglecting dilation nearing the speed of light) speed along the axis of time. That's how it is. That's how it's always been. That's how it always will be.

Why the hell are we still arguing this?

You're not philisophical by questioning what we label time. You're just appearing stupid.

GG.

We win.

But shinto hasn't responded yet! Who knows! He could disprove all that research with a Zelaron post!

Science and research are irrelevant when we have Bible Codes!

And I bet you he saw that post coming.

Of course he would have. It's prophecy! The Bible Codes would have predicted it!

Do they also predict that this thread has gone on WAY TOO FUCKING LONG??!?!

Pfft. They predict everything. They most certainly have, although the newest prophecy is that Grav will gain 30 pounds this summer.

You can't win a debate by simply ignoring the questions.

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