Even though its going to sound biased since it is my team, but Eli/ Tyree's play was way better than Garrard's. ESPN has even declared it the best moment in all of Superbowl History! Garrard's run was equally impressive, but under the circumstances, Eli and co win.

For everyone that counted the Giants out after week 2, it just goes to show that anyone in the NFL can win.

Now, i have been supportive of all decisions the Giants have done over the years, include the acquisition of Eli. He may not be the superstar that Peyton is, but he has all the tools to be a very decent QB in this leauge, especially if he plays like he did through the playoffs (which is mistake free football and good management of the game). The Giants as a whole should have been MVP, but hey the QB will get the praise and blame.

P.S.- Spags is staying in New York which is huge for the Giants. Also, i am very excited for next season already.

All of you STFU, it was a great play, now STFU and DIAF.

In professional American football, the Super Bowl is the championship game of the National Football League (NFL).

Shh shhh we're talking football here. Move along.

Yeah, K_A. Let the retards have their fun in peace.

There was a Superbowl?

Yes yes because most males actually like football. Way not to conform. You're so unique and original, Grav. You da coolest!!!

There's no issue with liking sports, especially if you play them. However, if you don't play, and you're a consumer culture zealot -- then you're a retard.

I generally draw the line on the second part when someone uses "we" and "our" to describe a team's actions.

I do play sports. I play basketball all the time, like yesterday. I'm such a badass I was double-teamed in a fucking pickup game. Who does that..

That's pretty much my thoughts. Unless you work for your favorite team, or you're on your favorite team, you're not part of "we."

I've seen a lot of you fags saying stuff like "we traded X" or "we're doing good this season." Well, wake the fuck up and realize you're not part of the team, fag.

Man, fuck, I hated when we traded Cuttino and Francis for fucking McGrady. He didn't help us out one bit. We would have done way better with Francis, McGrady and Yao.

I don't like team sports in the first place, but let them say "We" or "Us" if they want - even if it is only to let them believe they do anything more than stare at a television. There isn't any harm done except that done to themselves.

The "harm" is far more insidious. America has an unhealthy sports obsession.


Sports are talked about constantly. Some people discuss nothing else. They would be better off reading a book. Sports also serve as a dangerous distraction for more pressing issues in the news.

Parents raise their kids from an early age to play sports, sometimes running these kids into the ground. There is a huge pressure for these kids to perform as their parents selfishly attempt to live vicariously through them.

Athletes (like celebrities) can unfairly get an advantage in the legal system because our country idolizes them. Here's an example of something disturbing to me: when Mark McGwire was questioned by Congress about steroid use, Congress basically treated him better than they would have treated the President 200 years ago.

College (and high school) athletes get numerous advantages over their peers. They are recruited for elite colleges, get athletic scholarships, stipends, and more. Some professors and proctors look the other way when athletes don't go to class at all, or blatantly cheat on tests. On my campus, one day there was absolutely nothing good to eat at the dining hall. There were steaks, but we weren't allowed to have any. "Those are for the football team."

Local and state governments pay for the construction of giant sports arenas.

There is a HUGE consumer culture behind sports, as if we weren't suckered into capitalism enough as it is. Jerseys, books, video games, toys, applicances, food, autographs, and anything else you can think of.

Athletes are generally looked up to by children, and they are not proving to be good role models. Of course there are a few good hearted athletes, but the good apples do not outweigh the bad. It also happens to be the bad ones that are shown the most in the media.


So, to summarize, being a sports apologist is a cowardly cop-out.

So?

That's all unwell and bad, but our culture, hell, our species, has been idolizing sports players as far back as Greece and Rome, and probably even farther back than then.

It's an aspect of society I wish wasn't there, as it provides an excuse for the unintelligent to reign dominant over those quite frankly more deserving of fame than them, ie people who use their brains.

A lot of people will argue that my view is unfair, but I really don't see why anyone would exalt someone to such extremes because they can run faster or jump higher than someone else. That shit doesn't matter.

To play a sport is good for your body and mind and all, but it's pro sports that really fuck up the point of it. These players make millions off of playing a fucking game.

I digress though, what I intended to say was that the human race is geared towards deifying the physically fit, and if people find it as a way to make money or find pleasure in forcing their children to live lives they didn't, oh well. It's like arguing against peeing.

"Goddamn, all these people making money off of toilet paper."

People will do it.

This directly contradicts your "humans can transcend their instincts" argument.

It doesn't seem like you're even disagreeing with me, so I don't see your point.

I'm a very confused individual when it comes to beliefs. I change them daily. Didn't I concede to MJ in that argument, anyway?

And I'm not disagreeing with your views, merely stating there's no use in trying to argue against sports in modern society. That was... My point. :x

Says the fat kid.

Oh, and:

http://i32.tinypic.com/9i9pts.jpg

Match.

Hillarious.

Unhealthy? You are not one to be telling another about being unhealthy.


Sports are a very healthy outlet of news, just because it's not depressing talking about all eras of the wars being waged around the world, how corrupt governments are being, gas prices being horrible, it's a nice change of thing. So WOULDN'T that be healthier than stressing yourself over a source of news that is only depressing to you? ..



Kids playing sports from a young age is awesome, it teaches them teamwork, how to win, how to get beat and keep coming back. Who gives a fuck if parents strive for their kin to do well, I'd do the same thing if I had a kid, now there are some fanatical nutjobs out there that do drive their kids too hard, but then again a lot of kids that are pushed to this extent turn out to be get scholar athletes, I don't see anything bad coming from that other than you sitting in math class wishing how much cooler you would've been if you had just gotten off the computer for a while and went outside and played some baseball.


I'm pretty sure Mark McGwire was issued a perscription for anabolic steroids, which makes them legal. You aren't even making a point, douchecanoe, good way of straying away from society, just keep acting more and more like a moron.


Another cry for attention? If you'd "read some more books" you'd realize how much money schools make off of sports. When our high school went to state, we got extra fundage for a new computer lab and many, many new books.


Some stadiums do. You can't blatently just make shit up, even the cities that do pay for them all signed off and agreed to have it built, moron. I don't mind paying an extra 3 dollars a year for the stadium here in Jacksonville as being filtered through my taxes, it's worth it to have the Jaguars here. Who honestly gives a fuck? That money is even made back through the state through commercials as they are broadcast etc etc, vendors get a stake in, businesses boom around the stadium. You're just being an ignorant moron just spouting shit off that is IRRELEVANT.


suckered into capitalism? Isn't that the basis of our country? Coming from the guy that spouts the glory of Communism, I doubt anybody even takes you seriously. Who gives a fuck if they make money off of sports? that's an entirely different argument, if you don't like it. DON'T BUY IT. Just because you have SUCH a shitty life that you can't enjoy anything or even have a like for anything, to the point where you have to find something negative, about everything, you need to realize that you sound like a complete jackass, your ignorance is amazing.




There are all sorts of things wrong with society. It's our nature to have differences within our communities, people etc. Why do you care so much about media being a non-conformist you should just be in your basement playing D&D not giving a shit about society, not being a communist posterchild.

You just need to realize that Sports are a good thing for this country. It's a huge revenue for the country, learn some economics, we get an ample amount of money for hosting events here, the NFL makes a giant amount of money off of events that are held here, shit Baseball is america's past time, we have people coming from other countries on scholarships to live the American dream. Just get over yourself, go get a gym membership or something. Jesus Christ you're the most bitter person I could ever imagine, fucking nerd.

No.

The reason it's disturbing is because it's part of a larger trend of zealotry in America. Saying that it's okay to do just facilitates the problem.

How did you miss my point? Athletes and celebrities are treated as first class citizens, while we are second and the average black male is probably third.

You're obviously the one that needs to read more. "Fundage" is not a word. Regardless, the fact that the school receives funding for sports in the first place (taxpayer money) is despicable. That tax money should automatically be distributed to schools, not the schools with athletes. Again, a disturbing trend.

How is it irrelevant? Some stadiums do what? "You can't blatently just make shit up," D3v. Try this paragraph over.

Capitalism is not a basis for a country. It's an economic system. I never even discuss communism, so how can I be glorifying it, D3v? You should realize after several years here that your methods of argumentation (namely lying) are ineffective. And yes, Americans are suckered into a consumer culture. It's why everyone goes crazy shopping during Christmas season. Remember the Tickle Me Elmo nonsense? It's embedded in America, and it's unhealthy, as is the obsession with sports.

To quote mj, "I'm not bitter." Your non-conformist thing doesn't even make sense (same with most of your reply).

Why do I care? Because at some point, it stops being just fun and games and starts being obsessive and disturbing, as I've said. Many people pass this point. I can think of two people off the top of my head that live in squalor but still put 45"+ TVs on layaway to watch football.

In short, D3v, if you're going to argue with me, at least bring up some valid points. All you did was call me a non-conformist communist.


Anyway, here's a link to an article that argues sports fans are socially dysfunctional, using pride vicariously as a method of gaining self-esteem. http://media.www.louisvillecardinal....-2224429.shtml

Maybe you guys should be playing D&D in your basements. That's basically what watching football together is.

Says the guy who called mj a "pussy" for not advocating invading Iraq. I think there is a strong correlation between sports obsession, male chauvinism, and a follow-your-leaders-like-sheep mentality. (As long as those leaders are male chauvinists, that is.)

It must be part of a larger problem... something innate, deep in your psyche.

Oh yeah. It's called idiocy.

Well put, Grav.

Actually, playing D&D would be a better use of time. D&D actually requires a little thought and strategy. :)

I am not going to even bother with either side because both have there advantages and disadvantages.

On the topic of this thread, i have been speaking to Pats fans since last Sunday (maybe to rub it in) and they believe the game was given to the Giants by the Refs. On the Giants board at ESPN, they have a threads going stating this. I think its idiotic, one because its against my team, and secondly because i thought it was a well officiated game. What do you all think???

Football doesn't require thought and strategy? Only a person that has no idea what they're talking about would state this. Do you realize that to be good in the NFL you have to be one smart motherfucker? You have to fit in with your coach's game plan/schemes and run the plays correctly. If you fuck up and can't learn the system, you aren't going to play. It's as simple as that.

Sports not requiring thought and strategy... that's quite the laugh.

Dude, defending D&D in the sports forum is a bad idea.


And Grav, it's people like you that overanalyze the game, any game, sports in general. I mean there are good and bad sides of both of it, but if you don't like it, then don't respond to it. You are NOT going to change the minds of anybody that is a sports fanatic. Like i'm sure there are things you are a fanatic about that people disagree with or hate, like communism, and anything that any of us say will never change your mind, so why even bother?..

I think he was saying playing D&D as opposed to watching sports, not necessarily playing sports.

Either way, I'm sure they view all athletes as idiotic meatheads that don't know how to tie their own shoe. People that are bad at sports, are clearly out of shape (fat), or just didn't grow up playing sports are naturally going to be jealous and negative to those people that do and excel at it.

Why come into an obvious sports-related thread and bash everybody and anything in it? I don't see the point.

I feel it to really be pathetic how this thread has turned out. There are a lot of intelligent athletes that do take advantage of their scholarships, and then again there are some that abuse it.

Who

Gives

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Fuck?


There are rotten ass and wonderful people everywhere you go. There are people that need welfare, and some that abuse it. Some people that have rich parents and are babied into everything their entire life, and struggling veterans that can't even keep a home due to whatever reason... What i'm saying is there's always going to be something wrong with something good, no matter what the situation is.

.... And I really feel that Grav is jealous that he probably got beat up in school, not for any reason other than being the little fat retarded kid that was too conformist to hang out with anybody, so he just sat in the back of the bleacher and tried using his telekensis to make the kids in the Gym's head explode..

I am not defending D&D at all. I actually think that Sports is one of the best things in life, espeically when you think about the heatlhy aspects and abilities that comes with it. But Grav has proven once again that he can take any argument and provide some valid points. But his points are of an extreme level, so it is hard to believe everything that he has to say.

Again, i want to ask, has anybody heard of these reports that Pats fans think the refs gave the game to the Giants? because i have watched the game and havent seen any moment that would warrent this at all. I just think that these Pats fans are whinny sore losers and thank god somebody put them in thier place.

On another note, i heard that the eagles are making a push for Moss and Samual. I guess since their divison rival won something, they decided to try and go for it all this year.

All you are doing here is attacking me instead of my argument. As it stands, you still haven't actually countered any of my points. All you've done is make yourself look immature.

As for your "some things are just the way they are" bullshit, that's part of the (incoming lulz) conformist, complacent and apathetic attitude of the ignorant American populace. If you are just going to lie down and take anything that comes at you because it's inevitable, then please enjoy your suspended habeus corpus ass rape courtesy of the USGov. I hope you look forward to holding a dead-end job and living a mediocre life, as that's inevitable too.

If it makes my point somehow more valid in your little mind, I played third base in high school. I used to watch baseball and go to games at Shea stadium. I fell out of it because it became boring. Even when I did play/watch, I never used "we" or "our" when referring to MLB teams. Why? Because I'm not a moron.

Your weird images of my social obscurity couldn't be more wrong, by the way. If you're going to knock my character, at least get your facts straight.

Finally, for the love of god, get some sense. You have the mental and emotional state of a nine year old.

You are the one complaining about people enjoying sports.

People taking sports too far. Any kind of fanatacism is bad. Referring to a team you have no affiliation with as "we", getting really riled up about the perfomance of said team, to the point where an entire town's mood is effected by it, is borderline fanatacism.

This is getting old....

Gruesome, no I have not heard of those allegations but they aren't the least bit true. It's just Pats fans whining and being sore losers. They're still stunned they didn't go 19-0. Oh well, get over it.

So people getting excited and having passion is a bad thing, if other people are doing it? You are the biggest fucking moron on the face of the earth.

SO FUCKING WHAT. You've made your point. Some people agree. Some don't. People have different opinions. Get off it already. Jesus Christ, way to derail a thread.

Yeah, so did anybody watch the pro bowl? I seen Freddy do a few decent things, but nothing spectacular...

Do I think we need to continue with the war in Iraq? No. Do I think it was ALWAYS a bad idea? No again. The last thing we needed was a fucking pussy that was going to sit with his thumb up his ass and do nothing about the problems abroad.

Grow up and stop hugging trees. Stop eating them too.

Did anyone actually read this? Great article.

And when I made the statement about DnD, I meant those who watch the sport.

I have no problem with honest players, and they are by all means intelligent. It's the fans I just don't understand. It's like someone who plays a video game referring to the developers as "we" when they weren't on the production team.

"We really did a good job on Final Fantasy XIII." What?

Why must you DERAIL?!


And yes, I just glanced at that article, and I do understand where you guys are getting at. But these studies don't imply for EVERY SINGLE FAN. Stereotyping is usually more-so correct, but doesn't pertain to everybody. I noticed a line in that story that said when the team wins the 'person' reffers to the team as "we" and when they lose they reffer to as "they".. Which is stupid, this sounds more-so like a bandwagon fan if you ask me.

I just don't honestly see why the over-analytical process about sports is even going on. If fans want to act stupid and bandwagon and waste money on products that the team they like are plastered on, who cares? It's good for the economy, it's good for the city. Quit trying to be so negative and against anything popular

I do however, like the end of the article

Basically where i'm getting at is Sociologists are just morons who over-analyze things because they have nothing better to study and analytically peice together for the purpose of their study. Basically, it just comes down to...


Who gives a fuck?..