haha, why do you care? I was just massing with ya, suppose BOB will be the one who actually beats you up? :p

Heh, I don't care what any of your beliefs are, personally, but don't express you views about God in such a disrespectful way please. If you think it is not true, or "bull shit" as you so elegantly worded it, thats fine, just don't bash it so much, especially not in the Flame Forum...

Sex is fun, eventful, and exciting. Period. If given the opportunity, try it, you will not be upset.

Do not upset god!!! Sex is not fun, for girls...it hurts, haha :p

Heh, yeah, like the first 4-6 times, then its straight euphoria!!

I just wish all chicks would realize that before they figured that abstinence was the way to go...

Always save the best for the last!!

It's not necessarilly a matter of feelings. Generally, when abstinence is the case, it's a matter of morals. Silver and I are waiting for marriage not because we don't want to get pregnant, but because it is the right thing to do.

Also,
You damn near deserve to be shot for thinking that. Why would a person be with another person they love for three years and abstain from sex, only to go to college and get it on with every slut you see?

We are going to different colleges, but she will only be a considerable distance from me the last 2 years of college since she is transferring. I know it will be difficult, as Sirp said, but I am willing to put forth effort to make the relationship work. I'm sure that it's probably a shocker to many of you, but some things are more important to a man than sex.

Yes, there are more inportant things, but there is nothing more fun (And don't disagree if you no experience on the situation...).

Heh, its funny how everyone says, "Why have sex? I'm not trying to get pregnent/ get anyone pregnent!" The only way you can get someone pregnent from having sex is (1) if you try to purposely, (2) you are a complete friggin idiot, or (3) you are the 0.0001% of that unfortunate category of people where controceptives failed, which means you are the unluckiest person in the world...

Morals are very important to some people. I'm not doubting your commitment to each other or your morals, I'm just stating that to the people that make up excuses to not have sex, other than morals, they are only like that because they have never been presented with the notion of sex.

It nothing to be embarassed about if you are still a virgin, just don't make up excuses on why you're not getting any... Heck, I didn't lose my virginity until I was 17, and that wasn't my choice, I just didn't have good enough game to lose it until that age.

It's the right thing to do??? who says it, the pope? god? I think it's OK to live by your morals, but, always when they are YOU morals, no the biblic morals that a guy wrote down in a book and people, in fear and ignorance, started following.
PS: i don't have sex with every slut i meet (those are reserved for blowjobs) but i let MY OWN morals make decissions about MY OWN life
PS2: I'm not a sex addict, and I don't feel like going aroud i fucked this chick or that chick, but, i enjoy the fun of it, and BTW, if god say no to sex, why womens have a clit?? why do we have our penis SOOO inervated and it's SOOO pleasant??? It's antinatural to fight your instincs when it's not really gonna prejudice noone.

Who's to say the morals one lives by should differ from those presented in the Bible?

I kinda get tired of people discrediting the Bible. I can respect opinions about it, but, to a huge number of people today, there is no source more accurate than the Bible. What proof have you that even one thing in the Bible is not true? None. So, while I can tolerate thoughts that it is inaccurate, it cannot be proven, so do not flaunt it.

If people want to follow the rules presented in the Good Book, it is their choice.

That's right bitch. I'll smack you. Go ahead an fog up some car windows but you keep that cocktail weenie in your pants! Lol jk about the cocktail weenie, but seriously.

Personally I was a virgin until marraige. Now I have a wife and son!

Yes God says not to have sex before you're married... and I never said anything about God saying you couldn't do it at all...just after you're married...

What was first, the egg or the chicken????
There have been sex for much more then 2003 years (When supposedly christ was born) Why god waited such a long time to advice us?????
Oh, and Bob, when you say"there is no source more accurate than the Bible" you are throwing stones against your own roof, If the number of believers is going down so damn fist is for 1simple thing, THERE'S NO PROOF OF ANYTHING SAID IN THE BIBLE, that makes it INaccurate and people nowadays is being much more sceptical, we do believe in what we see, touch, what we can feel.

On the other hand, the PHISIOLOGY & PHISIONOMY OF OUR BODY IS MUCH MORE ACCURATE THAN THE BIBLE!

well God gave us our body...and I truly think that if you read the book of Revelation and look at the world today that you would give this a second thought...you should really...

I can't believe you just did that. Did you even read what I posted? I said I was tired of people saying the Bible is innacurate, because there is no way you can prove that even one bit of information in it is false. It's a two-way street, everybody. You can't just say it's false because you, in your small, incompetant mind, don't understand how it works.

I'm not very fond of anti-christs and nazi's and any anti-god beleivers. In fact... :Postal: .
God made you. He gave you freedom of choice. And that's how you repay him? Lol you don't deserve any more attention.

Either way. There is no more accurate source for life advice than the bible. Its like a big Life For Dummies book made long ago.

do you have proof that one thing in the bible is true ???? thats what i thought you might as well donate you nuts and cock to science cuz they will make better use of them than you the bible was created by a HUMAN interpertation of what GOD thought HUMANS are flawed and are mostly full of shit they are power driven ect.. what makes you think they wouldn't make this shit up to control you think about the bible is just another way to control people if you do something wrong you will die and go to hell till the end of time BUT GOD loves you think about that shit

*Medieval Bob attempts to slowly explain to Hell Hound his point in small words*

Twice now it has been said that the Bible is wrong because it cannot be proven. Twice, I have attempted to tell you that it cannot be automatically assumed that it is false because of a lack of evidence. The only way you can surely say that it is false is if you have proof, which, as in the case of the previous, there is none.

Stop shouting that there is a lack of proof of the Bible. We can all see your point. In reality, there are things that happen that could be a sign from God, but people today are far too distrusting to take anything as faith. Whether or not there is proof cannot be proven. It seems a paradox, but, and read this carefully,

No Proof Affirmative + No Proof Negative = Unsure; Cannot Say

The above illustration says that you can't say BIBLE IS WRONG simply because I cannot show you a DVD where God sits down with people and tells them what to write.


Also, on your interpretation of the Bible, you may have not read enough, but it doesn't really say that if you "do something wrong you will die and go to hell till the end of time." The reason it says that God loves you is that all you have to do to be accepted into Heaven, according to the Bible, is to accept Jesus as a savior and believe. It's an alternative.

All humans "do something wrong." There is no way to avoid it. Destination after life doesn't depend upon your condition of sin, only your condition of salvation.


So stop blatently embarrassing yourself and think of something logical to say before simple repeating yourself.

the blatenty embarrassing thing is you believe in an invisible man basically you say

if it has it's own book believe in it. so if some one wrote a book about worshiping mashed potatos and called it the bible you would beleive in it because it says to. think about man i just ask you to put your common sense to the test. you can't see it, you can't taste it, can't smell it, can't touch it, can't hear it and you can't smell it so common sense says it does not exist. Worshiping mashed potatos less ignorant than worshiping GOD because you can smell it, you can touch it, you can see it, you can taste it, and you can sorta hear them kinda. but still 4 out of 5 is better than 0 out of 5
Mashed potatos are just an example and i don't think people worship them

One cannot sense many things in life. Can you see anger? No, you can see the results of anger and the common signs of anger. You cannot hear anger either. Nor can you smell, taste, or touch it. However, since you cannot see it, do you believe it doesn't exist? Of course not, because you have experienced Anger. You know what it feels to be angry. You believe that it exists.

Belief in God is much the same as this. One can believe that certain things are proof that God exists, while at the same time, others deny His existance and say that the signs that prove God exists are all false. It is personal. Either you believe in God, believe in the things God has done, or you don't.

One doesn't, or at least shouldn't, base beliefs upon the fact that there is a book. Beliefs may be based upon what is in the book. While I cannot disprove the existance of your "mashed potatoe" god, I have yet to read your books and hear your arguments of his existance.

Should I choose the lower path, the path that it seems many Zelaronies have taken? The path in which I state that, no matter how many examples of a superior being, I do not believe in it. The path in which I state that all evidence is false and that nothing can be surely proven. The path in which I refuse to accept what others present to me, partially because of my own insecurity, and because of my own ignorance.

That is not my path to take. Have your own opinion. Believe or do not believe. You cannot disprove the Bible, so it seems only to anger you. You can believe in that.

ok first anger can't be compared to GOD because anger is a name for a FEELING not a person and yes you can FEEL anger sorta.
My next question is what is it with people beung that hopeless that they are gonna turn to an invisible man for help. Why don't we pray to own invisible friends same effect. My next question is why are humans that pathtic that they have to have a higher being then them telling them what to do and what not to do. If GOD gave you a brain to choose with why would he then run our lives by saying: o yes choose for yourself but do exactly as i tell you or you will be damned to HELL forever but make you own choices, AND don't forget to be at church every saturday sunday wednesday or you will be DAMNED TO HELL !!!

1. I can see anger with my sunglasses
2. There is no god - Have you even THOUGHT about it? EVER? How the hell could something exist that can control whatever it wants? There couldn't. The idea of god and religion was created to keep the masses in check, having them believe that if they behaved badly they would go to hell. Newsflash for you buddy! Once you die, you're dead. Period. There is no heaven, there is no hell, and how do I know that? Because I'm not a brainwashed lemming.
3. I look at this "Songs 4 Worship" infomercial and I get pissed because of all those people praising, who knows what, HOLY SOCKS and damn they're just sheep among sheep

Do you want proof?? are you going to listen?? I mean really? you ppl are so fucking lazy it's terrible!!! judging from the looks of it Hell Hound you need no proof to believe in Satan or a Hell what proof do you have of this place??? I do believe in a Hell as well...but I believe that there is also a Heaven...am I judged wrong by you for believing in a Heaven...If you want proof AGAIN I say (you lazy ass bitches) to go and look in the Book of Revelations and look at the damn world today...now can we please stop saying the same fucking thing over again??? DAMN....

(Medieval Here)I answered your statement Hell Hound, in a previous post on the, get this, same page. And, Grav, you believe there is no afterlife because you are not "a lemming." So, in your constant effort to be different, you have decided to deny the existance of Heaven and Hell. I assume you are basing your opinion on the afterlife on common sense as you would likely put it; am I right? What little common sense you are blessed to have does not inform you, nor does it have any way to, upon any existance after death. You have not experienced death, nor have you any way to state that there can be nothing after it.

i 2nd that -_-
EDIT: oh, and pwned.

I really think having sex is just a person's own opinion. If they don't want to, that is their choice. They would be missing out on tons of fun, though. ^.^ I am glad I started. I would have been missing so much fun.

is "fun" the sole purpose of life?

i din't say i believe in satan cuz i don't i b elive in nothing thier is no purpose in my own 2 eyes and the rest of my 5 senses thank you very much

Heh, lets make a biblical thread in the Flame Forum, rather than continue this non-sense...

Please, I respect people's opinions, but if you are trying to prove something about a book in question, don't tell people to read something from it for their proof, that's just plain stupid...

Obviously, there has to be an explanation for how everyone/thing exists, and what better way to explain it? I'd like to hear/read something more accurate and precise than the Bible that goes into such detail and explanation.

Please Hell Hound, can you try to use caps at the beginnings of at least a few of your sentences? Not a flame, just a request, for I find it very difficult to read your posts, and honestly, I actually haven't gotten past a few sentences for that sole reason...

There is no explination as to why God exists.

As for telling people to read from the Bible to begin to believe it, I can understand the reasons. First, there is nobody alive today who witnessed the things that happened in the Bible. That's why it was written down. Secondly, many of the people that argue about it have heard the wrong things, or have a bad understanding of the Bible in general. They completely distort ideas presented in the Bible, and, sometimes use their horrible interpretation to disrespect the Bible. *Cough* Hell Hound *Cough*

Thats a great idea, we should have a religion forum...keep all this crap in one area.

Some poeple are so hopelessly dependant on the bible that they would fight for it. *Cough* Medieval Bob *Cough*
Think of it like the matrix. I was a Catholic but i was freed. It could definatly be compaired to the Matrix. The perfect Metaform for the Bible could be the Matrix; a useless mind control device

How do you get "hopelessly dependant" from me defending the word of God? I state that it is true and try to defend my statement.

You say the Bible is false and replied to all of my sayings. Does that make you hopelessly dependant on flaming the Bible?

You ppl need to stop running away and making excuses...If the Bible holds no truths then why be afraid of a "simple"book...go ahead and pick it up...it won't bite...

I've tried to read it... But...It's boring. And not, I'm not scared about it, I held huge debates with my theology teacher at my previous university about both, social & religious problems, so I'm not talking about something I don't know, it's just that I don't see the need of believing in a god that will do nothing for me and that will restrict my life, naw, i've enough with laws, the only restriction I accept is when my liberty diirectly attacks other people liberty.
God was just a explanation to all that things human never understood (beggining of life) and ended up by being a compensation to justify all the bad things happening


Oh, and, Bob when you replied me saying i could not prove God's non existence....Until there is a proof of it's existence it's officially unexistent!!! I could say I saw a bug throwing ray trough it arse and aiming them at rocks transform the rock into a living tree, write it down and... PROVE IT DOESN'T EXISTS!!! How can you know simpsons are fiction? maybe there's a simpson hiding in a cave somewhere on the world, PROVE SIMPSONS ARE MERE FICTION!!!
Bible it's just another story with moral as cinderella or any of the Grim Brothers....
That's all for now, I'm leaving to see if i can find God in my way to university, wish me good luck

You're arguing with yourself. No, I cannot prove the Simpsons are mere fiction. Perhaps they exist. I also cannot prove that they are real. Perhaps they do not exist.

This is the same thing you are saying with the Bible. I cannot prove that it is true, but, on the other hand, you cannot prove that it is false.

Is this getting through to anyone? Just because I cannot show you proof does not mean it is false. You cannot prove to me that it is false.

Innocent until proven guilty. True until proven false.
Guilty until proven innocent. False until proven true.

Therefore, you cannot say, as you have already, (*shakes head*)
There are many things that haven't been proved to exist, but since they haven't been proved to be nonexistent either, the status of their existance is, as you put it, "officially" undecided.

and yes i have read the BIBLE it is a bunch of bull shit. it would fall under fiction in my libary. People that don't do something because a BIG book tells them not to are sad. O that books says not have sex... Ok lets not do it because the invisible man says not to.

People learn things from books all the time. You've never read something influencing in your life? Oh, that's right. I don't suppose your literacy level would allow since, See Spot Run isn't that life influencing.

If no one can comment rationally to my previous post, then I consider this matter closed.

Not true but consititering you sit around and pray to this piece of shit. It is like praying to a science that is full of shit and lies about everything and cannot prove that anything in it has happened. If god was real wouldn't he distroy owr towns with brimstone and fire ? every body sins lots of people don't care. according to the bible times like these are times for brimstone ash and fire. And to say anything about my literacy level is just fucking stupid on your part. If i couldn't read how the fuck would i be here and why am i a senor if i can't read think about it shit for brains

I don't know how long it takes you to read these posts.

And, on topic, God doesn't destroy towns with fire and brimstone. He only allows humans to do it. He may do it because humans deserve it, or because humans refuse to believe in him. I cannot say the reason, because I do not kn,ow the will of god.

Oh, and you started your post with "Not true but" What exactly were you referring to that you deem not true? Some people have the worst habit of just making things up when they cannot comment upon a point.

making things up?? as the guy who MADE up the bible¿??