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so now his sword is a gun?
wow i never knew swords were meteor shooting weapons

Thx for proving my point that you do not actualy read post. You just check a few word and do your post.

yes i was trying to explain in an easier to understand manner.. but its no longer important
easily from your post the gist is understandable

I know what ehrgeiz is.
What would make me change my mind in that ?

Did you actualy check ALL the other guide ? Is that why you posted this one ? Cause in almost all the other one in gamefaqs its actualy puted under Sword Techniques or Special Move. While in this one it's actualy in a nowhere just telling how to do it.

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I guess you just edited your whole post. Anyway read the rule then come back posting.

and so what if its a sword technique?
whats he hitting with? what is he actually doing?
hes sending a barrage of meteors to damage the opponent
he is not physically "melee" fighting with the sword
and hes not picking up meteors from the ground and flailing them
they are not "naturally" called upon

Sword Technique heard of them ? This come back to same thing i said earlier... When Squall does his limit with the light that extend from his sword. He hit with the light and not the blade.
OMG ITS A SPELL!!
Sabin does Blitz !
OMG ITS A SPELL!!
Ken in Street Fighter does hadouken !
OMG ITS A SPELL!!

hm.. ok i see the distinction now somewhat
im still having trouble seeing meteorain as comparable to hadouken especially since meteorain roots from ff7 an rpg game and thus seems to have more "magical" connotations

Doesnt make sense that they would be spell ?
Well there you go.
Technique.

spells take time (usually) and magic energy to cast.. techniques dont.. right?

Thats not true. some technique could be long while some other short.
Same goes with spells.

*******
Cyan FF6.
Sabin FF6.
Zell FF8.
They have some short and long technique.
*******

ok see this is what im confused by then.. doesnt meteorain drain mp in fft? (raziel mentioned this)

ok forget this spell vs technique garbage its cluttering up the thread and i can figure it out on my own time..
besides tanks arent really used for inflicting damage and have nothing really to do with spells vs technique so its really all moot
im out of ideas for discussion.. everything i can think of ive listed there:
http://www.zelaron.com/forums/showth...r=3#post357787

so heres my other questions i wanted to approach

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cant tanks be interchangable between armors (X6)?
i dont see how that makes the tanks fused with the armors if they are interchangable.. that makes them technically more like items that are inserted into the armor

No mp. :)
They charge up.

There is character that have technique requiring mp.
Like Steiner and Freiya in ff9 for example.

Edit:

Yeah, i would have to agree with that. It look like it's seem more like a storage area for items

Think of a pure melee Assassin in Diablo2. Fist of Fire, Blade of Ice, Claw of Thunder, Phoenix Strike etc. Or Vengeance for Paladin. Using Magical elements to enchant their melee weapons and attacks don't make them a caster.

Then you are saying that all the parts and upgrades shouldn't be allowed as well? Because they are interchangeable between armors just like tanks.

im not sure right now..
these rules feel like a whole lot of grey lines..
my head hurts just from the whole technique thing
ill get back to you after i start seeing straight

I don't really see the different between tanks and upgrades/parts in the later Megaman X series... X5, X6, to be more specific. You get the Tanks/Parts by rescuing hostages...

Also, all of those Hearts Tanks are called Tanks as well, and they permenantly increase the Max. Life/Energy which X has. I can see that as, the tanks being installed into X, if not in the armor.

This is getting too long, someone decide a winner and let's move on.

Yeah, we're almost to the end. And since only one of my favorite characters is left, we need a new tournament.

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Originally Posted by sh0e

so you are saying that cloud should not be allowed to cast simply because he is (by opinion i might add) generalized as a nothing but "melee" character? sorry i do not see that as a strong nor valid argument at all

Courtesy of the rules.

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6. In order to be able to include certain types of characters in these tournaments (namely Final Fantasy characters) then there need to be some adjustments made to their abilities in order to level the playing field. The rule works like this: if a character has the natural ability to use magic, they can cast spells in these battles. If the character requires Materia, Magicite or Guardian Forces in order to cast (or draw) magic, they do not have that ability available to them in these battles. If you would like a more detailed explanation of why, please refer to the sidepoint below this rule. This rule only applies to Final Fantasy player characters (not bosses, not NPCs or side-characters), and if there are problems with it, then the only other course of action is to ban FF characters from these tournaments altogether. I don't want to see that happen, but I also don't think that it is too demanding a guideline.

6-A. The reason for this rule is this: Final Fantasy characters that have the natural ability to cast magic usually have poor physical defense or combat attributes in order to balance their use of magic. Vivi, for example, is a particularly weak character, and his physical weakness is the price he pays for being able to cast destructive magic. Or Terra, from FF6, can naturally cast magic, but her other "special ability" is particularly weak because of it, as opposed to other characters that can't cast magic naturally, but have powerful "special abilities" like Edgar's Tools or Sabin's Blitz Techniques. Final Fantasy 7 characters, however, do not have these balancing attributes. All magic and summoning capabilities are interchangeable. Therefore, one could assume that Cloud (who has incredible physical capabilities) could also be capable of casting Ultima and Knights of the Round. Do you see how unfair and unbalanced that is?

Also, sub-tanks are one of X's main features. He has access to them, and he can and will use them in battles if he so chooses unless a judge states otherwise. There is no reason to continue this argument.

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Originally Posted by Kuja

I dont recall Cloud being able to switch equipment during combat in any games.

Yes, you could. You have to equip the Chemist's Equip Change Skill, though. And Raziel was just citing this as an example, not as an added bonus for the spike-ass kid from Midgar.