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KagomJack 2004-06-12 05:22 PM

laugh all you want. Kerry would just try to negotiate with the terrorists, and then they'd attack us anyway and he'd go "Well, we did all we could." JFK would be spinning in his grave if Kerry was to be prez.

Slim 2004-06-12 05:24 PM

He's spinning in his grave at the moment because of Bush making a mockery of what it is to be preisdent.

Sovereign 2004-06-12 05:24 PM

UNfortunatly, more people at this point want peace, and will probably go with him.

KagomJack 2004-06-12 05:26 PM

Ok, why is John Kerry the better choice? Can you give me cold hard evidence that John Kerry could help our country? Shit, I'm sure JFK would prefer Bush over Kerry any day.

Slim 2004-06-12 05:26 PM

I don't even know why this war is still going on. All we did was bomb the hell out of a country on a speculation, totally pointless.

Demosthenes 2004-06-12 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KagomJack
laugh all you want. Kerry would just try to negotiate with the terrorists, and then they'd attack us anyway and he'd go "Well, we did all we could." JFK would be spinning in his grave if Kerry was to be prez.

Honestly, all you know about Kerry is what you've read. Many of the papers you will read are biased, and blindly following a gut feeling that Kerry will sell out simply exemplifies immaturity. I'll keep my mind open to that possibility, but I'm not going to base my opinion of a man on what I think he might do.

Sovereign 2004-06-12 05:27 PM

I was supportive when he went in at first. But now, im starting to agree. Get the fuck out. There is no more point to stay. Appoint some govnt, and LEAVE

KagomJack 2004-06-12 05:28 PM

Yeah, and what we read about Bush isn't biased? Seriously, no matter what you read is going to be biased. I have read things about Kerry from independant sources.

Demosthenes 2004-06-12 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Slim
He's spinning in his grave at the moment because of Bush making a mockery of what it is to be preisdent.

The founding fathers are spinning in their graves because he's making a mockery of our Bill of Rights with his patriot act.

Slim 2004-06-12 05:28 PM

Kagom, MJordan has posted a link telling why Bush flat out sucks several times. I suggest you click it and find out why Kerry would make a better president.

Demosthenes 2004-06-12 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KagomJack
Yeah, and what we read about Bush isn't biased? Seriously, no matter what you read is going to be biased. I have read things about Kerry from independant sources.

Yes, but we've also experienced what Bush has done. I'm basing my decision on facts, not a "gut feeling," as you stated.

KagomJack 2004-06-12 05:29 PM

I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. The thing is, I'm not pro-Bush, but I prefer Bush over Kerry.

frickaline 2004-06-13 08:11 AM

I support Kerry, but since I live in Massachusetts, that is to be expected. Due to the electoral system and the fact that Massachusetts will most certainly fall to Kerry, my vote will be nearly useless.

Bush has angered me time and time again as follows:
- tightening laws on abortion rights
- preventing stem cell research for the fighting of disease
- pulling out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty
- failing to participate in the Kyoto treaty negotiations (for global warming management)
- failing to participate in the International War Crimes tribunal negotiations
- lying to the American public about the existance of WMDs
- making it legal to destroy more and more of this nations forests
- appointing people like Gail Norton, Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft (who I can create different lists for)
- making enemies with half the world
- destroying the middle east peace efforts of Carter and Clinton that were close to success
- tax breaks such as estate tax and dividends that are geared primarily toward the rich
- and finally...for bringing religion into government in DIRECT opposition to the principal of separation between church and state which the country was founded on.

I ask you to consider this list before deciding your vote.

-frick

Sovereign 2004-06-13 08:15 AM

Yup, bush IS a dumbfuck. It's been well established.

KagomJack 2004-06-13 10:48 AM

Something about tax:

Every year an independant tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the gov't. This year, tax freedom day was on April 11th. That's the earliest it's been since 1991. The latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about these dates? Today (June 9th) Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact:

Both George W. Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his rance in Texas. John Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does this sound right?

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

Demosthenes 2004-06-13 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KagomJack
I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. The thing is, I'm not pro-Bush, but I prefer Bush over Kerry.

You're settling. I refuse to settle for something as important as the leadership over the most powerful country in the world. Bush, in my eyes, has failed; Kerry has not. I am willing to take a gamble, and a pretty good gamble at that looking at how horridly Bush has failed, on Kerry, instead of settling with another lacklustered four years.

KagomJack 2004-06-13 10:56 AM

Look, I don't agree with the Patriot act, but that's one of the very few things I disagree with when it comes to Bush. I wouldn't trust Kerry at all. I know you don't give a shit about my gut feelings, etc. But I don't think it would be a good gamble at all.

Demosthenes 2004-06-13 11:04 AM

Then you're settling.

frickaline 2004-06-13 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KagomJack
Something about tax:

Every year an independant tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the gov't. This year, tax freedom day was on April 11th. That's the earliest it's been since 1991. The latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about these dates? Today (June 9th) Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact:

Both George W. Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his rance in Texas. John Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does this sound right?

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

lol.

Federal and State taxes are based on income, dude, not property. Please research your information prior to posting and misleading others.

-frick


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