BAM exactly.. My whole point is, it should be every person deciding for themselves. Yet when i state that view, I am going to hell. The fact is no one here knows what I believe, yet they all seem to think they do.



Ummm.. nope.. all I need is a cat scan to make sure I have a brain. And it's a proven fact that all humans have brains. It's not a proven fact that there is a "god". I wanna know how do YOU know your religion is the right choice? You can only believe it is. No one truly knows until life is over. And if "god" wants to punish me for thinking for myself, so be it. Eternity in heaven "praising god" doesn't sound very good to me.

Yea...but that is different. The brain has been proven to be in the head of a human.

well...i think if god openly spoke to everybody a lot more people would believe that he is real. 6 billion people hearing the same thing is most probably not a hallucination. God would just prove himself by speaking to us causing 99% of ppl to believe in him...why he doesn't just do this if he is real is beyond my logic.

What a tard. *directed at grav*

That's fine, believe in what you want to believe in.

Then why don't you tell us?

Ok sure no problem.

The fact is, most organized religion is full of hypocrites, liars, and mindless sheep. Who is to say which religion is right? Ever notice how Catholics and Baptists really don't get along, even though they "worship the same god"? And why is it Christian's don't believe Mormon's are going to heaven? EVEN though they believe Christ is their savior?

My thoughts are exactly this, I believe that there is a higher "conscience" out there. Whether it be the life force of the people of this world who have past before us... Or even a "god" , that I have not decided. I think this world is meant for everyone to take and interpret the things that surround them, and not to follow what someone has put before them. If not, then why isn't the bible clear cut? Why are there so many different denominations of just say the Christian belief? This isn't even touching on Judaism, Buddhism, or thus and such.

Funny though. I have never had anyone tell me I was pushing my beliefs before, without me saying what my beliefs were.

because i'm completely right and you can't come to terms with your brainwashing?

yes.

You're still a tard.

NICE ONE! :up:

Thank you. I have been waiting so long for your approval so my life could be complete. I have achieved nirvana.

NICE ONE! :up:

Thank you. I have been waiting so long for your approval so my life could be complete. I have achieved nirvana.

you were saying that you shouldnt believe things just because someone tells you to. Why do you believe everyone has a brain?Do you only have a brain when you see it on a catscan? have you done a catscan on every human being? i doubt it. you think it because something told you, whether it be a person, textbook, or maybe, common sense. BTW, im not saying we dont have brains, im just pointing out the fault in thats logic.

thats what i was saying, thats its not a proven fact. but its not a proven fact that there is no god. You are just repeating to me what i just said lol. I said that no one knows until life is over. When it comes to the existence of god (or non-existence) all there is is belief.

an eternity of praising god? you make it quite obvious you havent studied any theology.


Organized religion is mostly full of liars and hypocrites? actually, thats not a fact, because no one has ever met and interviewed every single member of organized religion to say most of them are evil. Thats judging thousands and thousands of people you have never met and saying they are bad. sounds like its just something you like to think in order to make your beliefs seem more right o_0.

True, in a since catholics and baptists do worship the same god, but it is in the means of worship and tradition that there is conflict. Saying that catholics and baptists dont get along is a pretty general judgment, its not like every single catholic is prejudice against baptists and vice versa, or that each religion has some law against fraternizing with the other religion.

Who says christians dont believe mormons can go to heaven? where is it written? the fact is the mormon beliefs on salvation arent the same as the conventional christian beliefs.

The bible isnt supposed to be a book of rules and guidlines. its the story of the people who we get the rules and guidlines from. where we get the tradition, our beliefs, and historical reference.

The reason why there our so many denominations is because like anywhere else there is disagreement, or more over, rebellion. simple as that.

im not trying to tell you that what you believe is wrong, i just wanted to straighten things about MY beliefs that you got wrong.

1000's and 1000's of years of recorded and PROVEN records have shown that all human beings that have been opened up have a brain. Also, 1000's of years of recorded and PROVEN research has proven that catscans show pictures of what is inside you.

Ok Jon, re-read my original quote it says nothing about the whole logic you are talking about. You assume it meant if you can't see it , it isn't there. Now that you have re-read it maybe you can realize, it says we have senses to make our own decisions, just like our own minds to make our own thoughts, so everyone needs to decide for themselves. SO don't try to point out mistakes in the logic, IF you don't understand the logic itself.

And for you to know, I have been to many churches, seen many things, in fact I was raised southern baptist. SO to shoot down my ideas saying I have no reason to believe them is jsut wrong. Have you seen a pastor preach about getting sinner's into a church, and then tell a girl she can't come back becuase she's an unwed mother? I have. Have you seen a pastor say women shouldn't be teaching? I have. Have you ever been to bible studies where in the baptist show how all the other religions are wrong? I have.

BTW what do you think is supposed to happen in heaven?

Rev. 5 v. 11-12
Rev 7 v. 9-12
Psalm 100 v. 4
Rev 19 v 1-7

So again... Don't assume you know anything about me.

this quote is using the logic that you shouldnt believe things just because people tell you to. I was saying that we belive alot of things that people have told us. How do we know this life isnt a dream? well, weve been told this is reality, but can we prove that?

Many churches eh? do you know how many "churches" there are in this country alone? I seriously doubt you have been to such a significant number of churches that you can judge every single church in the world on it.

So you are applying a few peoples, or even religion's difference in belief to every religion and everyone associated with that religion?(BTW, i think you mean "try" to disprove other religions)


The quotes just say that in Heaven, you will be praising god, not that heaven is just praising god. idk about your baptists roots, but as a catholic, it is taught that heaven is perfect happiness. but heaven is first and foremost...beyond our comprehension. We cant describe what heaven will be like because it is a supernatural reality.

I was reading my book and found this passage I really really like dealing w/ God talking to ppl...it said that people who talk to God and God responding are known as crazy. Though back in the day they were prophets...:cool:

Come on, the point of that statement is more about deciding for yourself, not just believing what you are told. You are not applying it properly. How about this "don't believe everything you read". Just becuase you are told something, doesn't mean its true, it's everyone's choice to decide what's for them.

You are correct, "try". So you know, I have taken from expierence on how I feel, i am not asking everyone to take what i say to heart, but i want you to understand why i feel the way i do.

I respect your opinions on your "God", and i'll agree to disagree with you, but i jsut wanted to clear up my view points, and exactly how that quote should be taken. "from my prespective".

Okay, ill agree to disagree as well :)

Wow this forum is gettin real confusing lol

and this thread is alive once again...lets c what all the new members have 2 say about it this time

It's not too confusing Bob, it is just that too many people are trying to be smart. And if you try too hard, you sound stupid. I still just say believe what you wanna believe, because no matter what no one will ever truly change your mind.

It's still fun to to debate and discuss

I believe in God.
I'm not the type of person who would try and get other to believe in Christ, but I'm against the people who think that, "Oh Church is for the simple minded", "Nah God doesn't exist, it just doesn't make sense" etc.

i just wanted to point something out. its sort of the reason me and my friends are athiest. When you pray your talking in your head. when you talk in your head your talking to yourself. therefore ur praying to urself meaning you are your own god. you are the only 1 that controls the future the past and present. anything created by u or where u have goten was caused by u. no outside help was given *except from friends/family mabye*

I believe in postdestination. (A term invented by me. If the term already exists, then I'll explain my version of it) I do not believe in predestination, as all humans have the ability to choose their future.

Say you had a choice of door 1 or door 2. You are not destined to choose either door. If you choose door 1 and walk through it for a big cash prize (!), then you were destined to do so. However, if you stepped through door 2, the same would apply.

If one were to look at it from outside of the confines of time, then one of those two choices would be destiny, as you will unquestionably choose one over the other. It is your choice to make, but you will only choose one. There is a reason you will make the decision, and, if placed in the same circumstances at the same time, you will ALWAYS make that same decision. This is, of course, neglecting mass dilation(jk :-P ).

my cussion is a cristan freak, every time i talk to him he is all like "do you want to see god as your jude, or your saver" "science is bullshit, god invented this" "god says that if you dont respect others belifes you will goto hell" and whats strange is that i dont beleve in nothing exsept for that i am here and i dont give a shit why. he is trying to change what i think and beleve, hes telling other that "he doesnt beleve in god, hes not a nice person" when i am thinking "yep, just here for the ride shithead".

I believe in God. I have made an investigation before coming here though. I don't just want to say what I think. I want to know why others don't believe in God. This is why

Humans are one of the most flawed creatures in existence. One of the major problems with us is bitterness. The wanting of what others have. People have died because of this foolish desire. Allmost every emothion revolves around this feeling. Hatred is created because you want what others have.
Another is ego. Not being as rich, pretty or smart as a person makes us feel a great resentment. I know people who are smarter than somebody in any way causes the less able person to force their brains to believe that the intelligent person is less then them in many ways.
What does all this have to do with belief? I'll tell you. In my theory there is two types of nonbelievers.. One is the jealous type and another is the resentful type. Here they are

Jealous
These people are jealous that there's something that they'll never know. God is something that man will probably never have proof of. These people have little faith.. They need to know if he exists or not. Not knowing makes them frustrated so they cast aside all belief.

Ego
Then there are the egotistical. These people pride themselves on knowing everything. Being good at something gives them a sense of joy and peace. There ego is shattered however when they find out that they will never know if they will go to Heaven or Hell. They fear what they do not know and thus they will their minds and souls to stop believing in such things as the afterlife or God.

I think this makes sense. I have school during the day so don't expect me to reply to any of your posts until 8 PM at latest.

mmmmmm Sounds interesting but I have to disagree. Unfortuanately many think like you. I am not very religous. I just believe. Youn need more than knowledge to exist in this world.

Did you just... disagree with yourself?

Hahaha, I spotted the same thing. Did a post get deleted or something?

That was my brother.

Sorry if I'm totally out of line but I didn't take time to read this lengthy thread.....God is just a totally illogical thing to believe in....I mean if there IS a god, why are there such things as poverty and war?? Not to mention I never read anything in The Bible about dinosaurs.....did they just skip that part of history or something?? Seriously consider that for a minute...

1. There are actually three mentions in the bible of a creature described similar to a dinosaur.

2. God is our father. He is merciful and loving. He is not our little towel boy to do whatever we want. Things are shitty today because we made them that way.

Also, I'll take a page from Bruce Almighty. God can't affect free will. (If He could, everyone would love him and be religious)

I shall sum it all up in this poem

birds chirped, the grass was so green
a beautiful sight never seen
animals walked about without a care
a sight now a days so rare
it was a utopian age, gods true plan
but then he created man

Snazzy.

Well I don't know about what Bob is talking about...I'm not saying it isn't true...I just don't know of it...anyway Dinosaurs were before ppl....Bible: in the begining God created animal...then man...then man named animal and then God created women...lame ass history books: Dinosaurs...cavemen...cavemen talk name big thing...women come...dinosaurs go away...new things come along...all hail stupid school book...

Lol that's good. Anyway, I'll ask around about where the references to dinosaur-like beasts are. I know Josh Gage mentioned it to me, but he works all the time, so I don't know when I can talk to him.

Dinosaurs? In the Bible? They must be in the New New Testiment.

Heh.....well what about an entire human race stemming from 2 people?? Wouldn't we all be just a bit inbred then?