De-Mod Yawgmoth?
 

This poll is private, so vote as you will.

If you wish to state your opinion on the matter, that would be excellent. ;)

I think it's too soon to make a judgement. In a situation like this, sparks are almost guaranteed; that doesn't mean it can't work out in the long run.

No, it was too soon to make him a mod. De-mod him, let him hang around as one of the regular Joe's. IF, and only if, he can prove himself to be a decent member should he even be CONSIDERED for a mod. Seriously, had he even made a post before Chruser got Mod-happy over him?

IIRC, I started an aquaintence out as a S. Mod and it turned out pretty well.

I, too, was quite surprised by Yawgmoth's moding and dislike the situation, too, but that doesn't mean it can't work.

No, that doesn't mean it can't work, but did you start off making everyone hate you?

Yes, he did. Generally, people automatically hate you when you leapfrog them to a staff position.

No, that doesn't mean it can't work, but you didn't start off making damn near the entire board hate you, did you? Sure, things might work out, but at this stage in the game things are much more likely to devolve into claims of power abuse and personally. The best recourse as I see it would be to de-mod, and let him earn the position as all the rest of Zel's current mods have. If it's felt he's up to snuff I have no problems with it. But right now he's too much of an X-factor.

Edit: Sorry for what is essentially a double-post. I can't for the life of me find the delete button..

Myself, I climbed to power legitimately. This is about a different member that I brought on as staff with virtually no time as a normal member. People claimed he was power hungry, etc. at first too, but eventually he became a respected member of the staff.

I don't think this is the case. His ideals don't really match with everyone's here, and I think he takes this forum way too seriously. This is a gaming forum, and therefore should be a more fun environment, with some restrictions of course.

Slim, you're right. He should prove himself to work for the good of this forum. In my eyes right now, he wants to mold and shape it to his way, which is contrary to what most of the member base wants. Why do you think -Spector- made this thread?

True enough, but I don't think most of us have our ire up because he's a nobody that got a staff position. It's because he's a rather large prick who happens to have a staff position for some reason unbeknownst to us.

Regardless, it's Chruser, not I, that you have to convince. Myself, I wouldn't have staffed a member so quickly again for the reasons illustrated now and in the past, but that was Chruser's decision.

I know this, and I'm not trying to jump down your throat with all this by any means, I'm just throwing it all out there for consideration.

I have known Yawgmoth in real life for years, and I have no doubt that he means the best for Zelaron. His goals are indubitably to improve our community and to make it more popular, populated and thus more active. He is, however, very impatient with stagnation and resistance to experimentation and change, which I personally find to be a good quality, although it has a tendency to aggravate others.

Our goals are shared, but our strategies may vary. The ideas and provocations for beneficial changes which he grant us are definitely among the reasons why I am convinced that he should remain in the Zelaron administration.

And what of the reasons why he shouldn't?

1: Yawgmoth was given a Supreme Moderator position too soon!

Was he? He may not have been a Zelaron member for more than a year and a month, which is part of what makes him ideal for his job: He hasn't been biased by experiencing how things "should work" from our perspective.


2: "IF, and only if he can prove himself to be a decent member should he even be CONSIDERED for a mod"

How does the quality of being a dazzling display of decency relate to the ability of creating useful improvements for a community?


3: "The best recourse as I see it would be to de-mod, and let him earn the position as all the rest of Zel's current mods have."

Refer to #1. We need at least one staff member without as much experience as the rest.


4: "His ideals don't really match with everyone's here"

Differences in ideals leads to conflict and ideation. Occasional disagreement is a small price to pay for finding new, creative approaches to things. Also, conformity is a rarely seen quality in innovators and criminals alike. Why do you think members of both groups were commonly subject to the death penalty in the past?


5: "He takes this forum way too seriously"

How is that a problem? Refer to #4.


6: "He should prove himself to work for the good of this forum"

Point taken. It should, however, be noted that the desirous changes Yawgmoth likely will bring are not expected to be instantaneous. Zelaron has stagnated in a number of ways. It defies change, and change is Yawgmoth's forte. Conservatism is not intrinsically advantageous, thus arbitrary referrals to it are absurd.

Should his work prove continuously otiose, it would be reasonable to deprive him of his Supreme Moderator status.


7: "He's a rather large prick who happens to have a staff position for some reason unbeknownst to us"

Refer to my previous post and my responses to #1 and #4.


Hit me with whatever reasons to demod Yawgmoth that I missed. Furthermore, as I recently told -Spector- via AIM, if rational reasons are presented which outweigh the advantages of keeping Yawgmoth as a Supreme Moderator, he will be demodded without hesitation.

Well, it's rather hard to persuade someone with biases of his own to de-mod Yawgmoth.

Yawgmoths ideals are way to radical. He practically came in here and said "This is how I want things done, and want it done now, and you're going to listen or I will ban you for it."

That's the feeling I was trying to convey.

Should biases impair my capacity for rational thought to a significant extent, then yes, evidently. While Argumentum ad Populum is normally a fallacy, I may, however, not be thoroughly impervious to popular beseechment.

All Yawgmoth has done since recieve his S-Mod position is whine about how were doing everything wrong. No more talk about jews in posts, no more adding little bitty jokes about anything that doesn't contribute to the topic. If this forum gets over-run by little pricks like that, I'm out.

I have to agree with Coriander on this one. It did seem like a hostile take over and that caught everyone off guard because we are so laid back, and the changes are usually a slow process, not so sudden.

As for your post on reasoning Chruser, I don't like it. It makes too much sense. For some reason, it makes for a sound decision and I totally agree, but it feels.... I don't know a big word for it, but it feels off. Other than that, I am neutral on the situation. I don't care who is mod, S-mod, SD-mod, or whatever, as long as he has a sense of humor and can accept that while he/she may have a strict code of ethics, there are others who are different, and must not abuse thier power.

So far, I have yet to see or hear of such abuse, which is why I stand neutral.

Man who gives a shit, no one really cares who gets mod anyway.

As long as we don't give any WOMEN mod because whiny vaginas always ruin forums.

Then why on earth did we give Yawgmoth a mod!?!?!!

What do you care? You're just as much of a no-name shrimp as he is.

It was simply me calling Yawgmoth a woman..You didn't get it. Perhaps a qoute was neccassery.

Why do I care?

Cause even though I don't have 2k, 3k, 10k, posts, this place has grown on me. And I would like it to not be ran into the ground by a person with power issues.

I kinda agree on this. I don't have very many post either, but I've come here for years. At, first, I only posted in places at certain times because I really don't have much to talk about. It's actually still that way.

Although I really don't like Yawgmoth (just because it seems that he doesn't seem to see things others create as important as they themselves see it) but I agree with Chruser about his ability to spark change.

Think about it, when was the last time we got so worked up over someone here? If necessary, take it to the flame forum and get out what you need to say. Bring his head out of the clouds.

I have notified Yawgmoth that the Zelaron Administration (or preferably all members) should be notified of his ideas for changes prior to enacting them, thus giving others a chance to stop unequivocally unfavorable changes if necessary. Of course, I don't expect this to always happen (as I like the idea of having initiative-taking members in the Zelaron Administration), but I think it would save all of us some trouble, particularly now that things are very mercurial.

He's totally different from the hands off nature of most Zelaron mods, who just ban or delete posts in the most extreme of circumstances. He seems like an alright guy, don't get me wrong. I have no personal problems with him, and as far as Zonalon is convinced, I can see why he hates the guy. However, I really think he should have been given a chance to get to know the community more before given reigns.

No on loves me. :(

I haven't actually banned or deleted any posts at all, actually all I have done as moderator is: unban Tynion two times, validate some new posts and put a very old and obsolete sticky-thread in the Trashcan.

I have threatened to ban all of you for flaming, but I didn't actually ban anyone. Then I became irritated with Zonalon and wanted to ban him for trolling, being stupid and irritating. As this was obviously based on my personal opinion I asked about it in the Chatbox and I eventually decided to just send him a PM.

I will probably re-read this topic later and answer to... some of your issues. Although, I think Chruser got most of them in his thread - but it might be good for the public opinion of me to do answer them personally.

Now I will create Jew World Order.

How is that going to work when he thinks that he is always right and doesn't care about what anyone else, even the majority, thinks?

I actually do care, but not as much as is standard. Mostly, I care about the opinions of those I respect and those who I find interesting.

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hey dejavu

The same response in another thread, I still don't know how to actually respond to that... I guess it would be for the best if you'd just de-mod and ban me now. This is not what I sought for.

EDIT: I had hoped we would be beyond old internet-memes.

Nice green bars

Oh no you don't. I didn't stay up until 10 AM in your defense just so I could see you abandon the Browncoats on the verge of defeat. "Might have been the losing side; still not sure it was the wrong one."

Wow, for once, I actually didn't want to kick you in the nuts after reading one of your posts. Maybe there is some hope for you yet.

You take him way too seriously. As I said, occasional disagreement is a small price to pay for finding new, creative approaches to things. Do you honestly think I would make him a moderator for the purpose of aggravating Zelaron members? I had realized conflict to be a likely consequence of the unconventional methods he employs, but as I previously said, we need someone from the outside who can give us new perspective.

Think about it for a while. What has really changed here in the past four years?

I don't have anything against you besides the ban threats. Just like how you don't know us, we don't know you. Even if you were kidding we really just don't know, man. You seem like a nice and sensible guy to me. It's just most people's nature to question authority figures, especially ones who are catapulted from seemingly nowhere. It's not that people really hate you, they just don't know you, and they have very little besides your nazi post to judge you off of. It's just not a good way to make your first mark, ya know? Anyways, like I said, you seem like a nice guy.

He is taken seriously because it is not obvious that he is joking, and nobody knows him well enough to know he's joking. It doesn't seem like he's joking, and a lot of times I don't think he is.

It would be in his best interest, as a new member and a newly appointed Supreme Moderator, to be a bit friendlier and seem like less of a Nazi. He doesn't seem to agree with considering what other people think. He also seems to have some sort of superiority complex, which I can only attribute to the fact that he knows you. It almost seems like he feels he can boss me around because he knows that you'll support him (in his own world, anyway.)

Look at the poll. 10 to 2. I'm guessing the 2 are you and him, and the 10 is everyone else. Even if you think he could be helpful to Zelaron, he's not making himself liked very much. I explained to him in our conversation on MSN that as a new guy he needed to lay low because he doesn't understand how people will react to him. Unfortunately, he didn't heed my warning, and now nobody wants him here.

Either way, if he keeps up his shit, I'm going to keep up mine. I'm not going to tolerate some new guy trying to take over, even if he knows you. If it has to come down to it, you can demod/ban me if you have to, but I'm not going to submit to him, and I have no problem with openly displaying my dissatisfaction with him if he gives me a reason to do so. He's bringing this all upon himself by acting the way that he is.

That's not entirely true. My Girlfriend doesn't even talk. (AND YES SHE IS A LIVE HUMAN, NOT A TOY :scatter:


On the issue.
I don't even think I've seen a post from this person, but whoever it is, sounds kinda... like a douche...:count:
De-mod I guess.