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Battle! Seymour vs. Seifer
Arena: Stygian Depths - A multi-level cavern, flooded with molten lava and fire. Rocks jut out of the hot sauce at varying heights creating platforms of different widths and shapes. The cavern is completely enclosed, with large stalactites hanging from the 75 foot "ceiling." Caverns wind in and out of the main chamber, shaky rope bridges are suspended at varying height intervals, and one large circular platform (about 50 feet in diameter) is suspended by chains about 50 feet above the center of the main cavern.
In the Red Corner, sporting a hairstyle that can only take hours to prepare. Armed with enough magic and summoning capabilities to bend even Martha Stewart to his will! The misbegotten husband of Yuna, the great deciever himself, from Final Fantasy 10: Seymour Omnis!!! And in the Blue Corner, showing off his lovely new facial scar! Equipped with his very own gunblade, No Mercy Limit Break and a metric ton of magical firepower! The Knight of The Sorceress, the Bad SeeD, from Final Fantasy 8: Seifer Almasy!!! Who will emerge victorious in this brawl of devious plots and sinister assaults? Will it simply boil down to magical muscle, or will these hardened criminals manipulate their way to the top of the food chain? This is your moment to shine! Cast off the gloves! It's time to kick some ass!!! |
Kuja`s #1 asked me to post this for him since he didn't think he would get the chance to. Frankly, I like the enthusiasm shown here. I can't wait to see Kuja vs Lloyd. Here we go...
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Well, there's not really much you can argue against what Kuja said, and he's correct, Seymour would kick Seifer's ass. I really don't feel the need to repeat what Kuja said, so I'll just agree with him and let it be.
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I'd really like to stand up for Seifer just to support the underdog (and I very well may come back later and do just that) however, I think that just the fact that Seymour dies, then comes back for not one, but two more boss battles is just a bit much...
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Seifer wins. Seymour is a pansy. Yuna slapped him 4 times in the last battle with her pretty but impractical staff and he fell over dead; he didn't even bother to try to fight back.
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But he loved her...
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Seymour would summon Anima(the coolest summon in the world) and annihalate Siefer.
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Let's ACTUALLY get some good info about the both of them.
statistics Seymour- final HP 80,000 final defense-180 final magic defense-100 Seifer final HP-34,5000 final strenght-estimated at a little above or a little below 100 final magic power-barely 100 personality Seymour-cool and calculating Seifer-hot-headed and impulsive background Seymour-Twisted by the darkness of the world, granted power by his mother who turned herself into a Fayth which called the aeon Anima. Kills his father and becomes a Mastier of Yevon. Seifer-grew up in Edea's orphange until being transfered to Garden. Gifted but incapable of taking orders. Endings Seymour-Fainal Battle in Sin. Turns into Omnis in order to kill you so he can control Sin. Unfortuanately, he summoned to much mystical energy and he did not have enough energy to dissapear. Seifer-Final Battle in Lunatic Pandora. He tries to stop you. He has no real goal. Just a warrior and a puppet Ultamecia uses to halt your progress. With Protect and/or Shell, Seymour would reduce Seifer magical and physical attacks to 1,000 AT BEST! Seifer loses. I will be deeply shocked if Seymour doesn't win. Especially since I'm the only one who's given a good arguement either way. To WetWired: So Yuna and the other beat him 4 times. If I remember correctly Seifer was defeated a total of four times. Even if he wasn't at full strength the one time. The bottom line is Seifer could not win because he doesn't think things through. Seymour Wins!! |
Damn...Kuja has his bases covered! This match still has a ways to go, though, so let's see some action, people!
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It has been more than 24 hours.
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Seifer is stronger then you seem to think he is.
After all he did beat Odin at his own game (1 shot kill)! His Attack Gunblade swipe,Fira, Fire swipe, Firaga, Fire, Dispel, Haste,Thundara, Tornado Sword attack,Cura, Fire-all cross-slash Cross Sword Limit Breaks: No Mercy If odin get chopped by Seifer in 1 hit I highly doubt a Aeon would be much more challenging. Seifer would cast haste on himself and quickly attack whit his gunblade normal attack and gunblade special attack(Gunblade swipe,Tornado Sword,Fire-all cross-slash). Seymour can always try to cast protective spell on him but only to get dispelled by Seifer. Then Seymour would do attack to just to lower seifer health to end up allowing Seifer to do his Cross Sword : No Mercy then heal himself up while Seymour put peice of his ass back together. The downfall of Seymour will be underestimating the power and speed of seifer. |
You say seifer is good because he beat Odin. Odin is a pansy compared to some aeons, including Anima.
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Odin can 1 shot kill anything he attack yet Seifer awareness,Strength and speed was good enought to actualy be faster then Odin automatic Preemptive attack something that no other char in final fantasy is even able to do the only 1 that come close is Ozma in FFIX that get his time bar filled each time someone receive a command. Seifer Dispatched Odin whit ease like no 1 could do it deff. show his greater skill.
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Summons in older FF games were much, much more powerful than any aeons in FF10. Also, they weren't your bitch. What I mean by that is that they didn't come out, replace your party, fight two rounds against a boss and "feint" like some gay ass pokemon. Don't even attempt to compare aeons to old-school summons.
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Odin could only 1 hit kill normal monsters, he could lance bosses but that's it.
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He just didnt appear on those fight that doesnt mean he couldnt after all he could 1 shot kill your party in the place where you would get him. He just decided to see if you were worthy and give you time before he do his 1 attack kill.
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I thought Odin became Geglamesh (Sp?) after that happened, or something like that, right? Maybe I am way off basis, its been a few years, so I don't quite remember.
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Nah they aint the same Odin sword went to Gilgamesh when he died.
Squall: "Odin....!?" Seifer: "Hah, I won't go down that easy." "Show me what you got, Squall." "Let me add another scar for you!" Gilgamesh: "You gave me? the 4th one...!" "Huh? Was it you...?" "Then dodge my sword!" "Eat this!!!" |
Ahhh, never really understood what happened there, thanks.
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Well ppl post some lol there many way that Seifer can ravage Seymour i gave a few reason and the only attack i say he did were melee i didnt even use any spell of the black magic type. :-)
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Seymour-Fire, Fira, Firega, Thunder, Thundera, Thunderga, Bilizzard, Blizzara, Blizzarga, Water, Watera, Waterga, Break, Protect, Shell, Reflect, Dispel(ALL), Multi-Magic(Fira, Thundera, Watera, Blizzara), Lance of Atrophy, Flare, Cura, Ultima Mortibody-Desperado, Cura, Shattering Claw Mortiorchis-Cross Cleave, Full-Life Seymour+Mortiorchis-Total Anihillation Each of the attacks listed above are extremely deadly. Seymour and Mortibody's Cura could easilly cure Seymour's HP up by 3,000 combined. That may not seem like much, but Seifer can't hardly hurt him anyway. Don't get me wrong, Seifer is strong, he's just outclassed in this instance. The Lance of Atrophy causes Zombie, but it can still deal some good, physical damage. His most powerful attacks, Flare, Total Anihillation and Ultima, could probably combined take about 1/3 of Seifer's final HP. Total Anihhilation is an attack that causes multiple damage. At first he would probably cause 2,000 damage, but when he launches himself into the air he would probably cost 3500 damage. Ultima would cost Seifer well over 7,000 even though his Magic Dfense stat is somewhat high, it isn't high enough. Cross Cleave would hurt him about half of what Total Anihillation could do. Now onto Defense. Seifer with Gunblade Slash wouldn't even reach the 900 mark. His other powerfull Limit Breaks could cost about...2000. As I said above, Seymour's physical defense has pretty much always been high. Seifer's magics are just there to keep him interesting. They're really crappy and pathetically weak. As for Anima, his HP is rather high from what I remember. Seifer would get somewhat hurt, but he probably could kill Anima. Other Issues: Seymour's love was even more than obsession. After death, his plans changed and so did his personallity, power-hungry to destructive. Though his love for Yuna never lessened. It was a mortal desire that could not be stamped out by the cold hands of death. Battle: Seymour: Casts Protect Seifer: Dispel Seymour: Thunderga Seifer: Gunblade slash Seifer: Slash Mortibody: Desperado Seymour: Blizzarga Seifer: Firega Seifer: Slash Seymour: Break(Seifer can't be Petrified) Seifer: Tornado Slash Seymour: Cura Mortibody: Cura Seifer: Cura Mortiorchis: Auto-Mode Seifer: Thundera Mortiorchis: Ready to Anihilate Seifer: slash Seymour: Reflect Seymour+Mortiorchis: Total Anihillation Seifer: Bloodfest Seymour: Flare(on himself but he cast Reflect on himself) Seymour: Lance of Atrophy Mortibody: Shattering Claw Seifer: Cura Seymour: Ultima Seymour: Firega It would go until Seifer was dead. Seymour can cure himself and his attacks are three times as powerful as Seifer's attacks. |
Kuja's #1, while I do like a lot of your arguments, damage is irrelevent. Both characters are based on different games, so if one character has 9000 hp, and the other 9 million, that doesnt mean shit.
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So it doesn't matter if one is weak and wil be cut down in one strike? Seymour is very slow and can't dodge attacks. He relies on his defense.
What about statistics like phys. attacks strengh? |
Statistics shouldn't matter. You can say he has high, solid defense, but bringing in numbers wouldn't strengthen your point.
That's how I see it... |
Well then, I already stated what would happen in a real battle. I also listed his arsenal and such, so there should be no more arguement. Seymour wins!!
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Serious i think we can all see you dont see seifer for what he is.
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Also you make it sound like he can do infinite attack while seifer just sit there. Seifer is fast even more whit haste and if Seymour cast dispell he lose a round and Seifer still gained even more time then his normal speed allow him. Cross Cleave seem like melee to me so can be dodged. Mostly since from what i see this guy is a caster so he cant be that good as a melee. Quote:
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Seifer could not dodge Total Anihillation. It blows everything around him to hell. He could dodge to the left and to the right, but he can't dodge them all. I say more than half would hit him.
Seymour won't always cast Dispel. I said aboce about how strong his magic powers are. Multi-Fira and all that shit would fuck'n kill Seifer! You didn't even mention Ultima. The ULTIMATE MAGIC ATTACK!!! I can't see Seifer dodging that. And as soon as it hits him...that fucker is dead! I would also like to mention that you didn't read MY post. I stated a battle, configuring both character's powers. If you had read it, I have Seifer doing two attacks in a row sometimes. If you don't even configure Seymour's powers as a deadly. Make it sound like Seifer could attack ENDLESSLY. Seymour with the Mortibody watching Seifer could easilly keep Seifer at bay. Seifer couldn't get close with out getting slashed by it. |
lol so now that you have actualy no argument to fight you actualy say ultima will 1 shot kill ?
I dont think that how it work. Seifer win he gonna slash that monkey into peices. |
That's all your arguement. Dodge and slash. That wouldn't win a victory against Seymour. I just said that the Mortibody would keep Seifer at bay. Should he come close the Mortibody could cut him up! Also the Lance of Atrophy coul pierce right through Seifer pussy human body. With Seymour's mystical forms, how do you know that Seifer's sword wouldn't just breakp on Seymour? Yo don't. You are the one with no arguement my extremely arguementative friend.
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Yeah I did mess up on that. But my other points are valid. Seymour's attacks are just to strong for Seifer to kill him. Ultima, Flare and Lance of Atrophy would be enough I'd assume since Ultima and Flare are the strongest black magic and Seymours strength is rather formiddable though some people don't know that.
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Seifer skills are still better then the 1 of seymour his gunblade would do high dmg hit + shoot = bang great damage.
No to mention his speed that is better and even much better while hasted. There no reason to deny Seifer his victory over Seymour. Seymour = high damage very slowly Seifer = Nice damage Very Quickly ! Because of his speed he would quickly gain up on the damage. |
I hope someday that you will read my post. The Mortibody could fight Seifer and keep him at bay. Its Shattering Claw could severely hurt Seifer and keep him distracted long enough to give Seymour enough time to attack with some kick ass magic.
Enough of just statistcs and moves. A part of these battles are analizing the character's mind and such. Seifer is impulsive. He is so fucking arrogant that he wouldn't take Seymour seriously. He'd blow him off and dance and shit because he has the brain of a piece of shit. Seymour is calculating. He does not rush into a battle. He examines an enemy and configures that person's or persons' weaknesses. With Seifer taking him lightly and Seymour observing all Seifer's faults, Seymour could easilly win. |
Your really taking Seifer like a rat.
He taking stuff seriously he turned against his own garden. When he was fighting when he in the party he was looking at that like a joke but the rest when he not ? He taking it seriously. When he fight squall in the starting movie seq. You can tell he serious. When he launch his attack against another garden 2 his old 1 he serious again. Each time you fight him he doesnt mess arround. Your judging him like he was some circus clown thinking he a fucken weakling that doesnt take anything seriously. The only 1 that hardly give a shit in FFVIII is Squall. |
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For one, you said nothing of his arrogance. He taunts Squall in the beginning and he taunts through out the game. He is so fuck'n full of himself its sick. Even Kuja knew when arrogance was placed at the right time. Seifer just can't help it. Its like Edea or I guess Ultamecia says "he's just a scared little boy" He has so many issues. Its really quite sad For one self-doubt in an extreme case. He can't convince himself that he's the shit so he keeps repeating it only to get "the shit" knocked out of him. Your not mentioning Seymour at all. His is extremely cautious. Seifer would taunt him and since there would be no reaction from Seymour, Seifer wouldn't like that. His own inner rage would consume him and the blood would rush to his brain making him incapable of thinking properly under pressure. That's what makes him such a bad warrior. |
Again your WAY OVER EXAGGERATING what he is.
The only 1 he would have any chance to go nuts and lose control cause he mad on would be squall it s a fight they had since they are born nobody else would be able 2 remove his focus from a mission he on. His current Mission : Destroying Seymour. |
Seymours Mission: winning Zel Melee and destroying the Universe
obstacle: Seifer Almasy He's a pawn in the way of a King. He doesn't have an agenda. He doesn't have a will. He's a puppet and all his powers were given to him by Ultamecia. He's nothing more than the Sorceress' Lap Dog. Again you don't mention his stupidity at being arrogant. He naturally assumes he's gonna kick some ass and then his ass is getting kicked. He blindly rushes into battles. You are the one who is completely blind kuja. You simply refuse to see Seymour is superior in every way! His temperment, strength and everything else. I acknowledge the fact Seifer is strong and fast. I know ALL about him. But the fact of the matter is, Seymour is just too strong and too smart. S Back to battle plans. Seifer with Haste might be able to get past the Mortibody. Though the Mortiorchis' Cross Cleave could do some damage. Seifer is fast but Cross Cleave is to powerful and wide-spread for him to dodge. He could Cura himself to negate all Seifer has done and the Mortibody could use Desperado. Again, a wide-spread attack that he could not doge. Seifer would probably use his Limit now. Or maybe some magic. Unfortuanately, Seymour could use Multi-Blizzara. That would stun him for a sec. Allowing Seymour to cast Flare. Seifer cures himself. He probably strikes three more times. Seymour cast Cura on himself and the Mortibody uses Desperado again. Seifer uses Firega. Seymour does nothing. Seifer continuously slashes. Total Anihillation! Seifer could not doge this attack either. |
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It s being the knight of the witch. His will. He want to succeed at what he doing he take being knight of the witch very seriously. A puppet. If you call his romantic fantasy puppet well Seymour nothing better. Quote:
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Yeah i think thats it s a good point thinking you gonna lose will help losing. Positive thinking is the key Thx for helping Seifer out. He blindly rush ? Plz tell me where you see that... The only rushing i see was in the start and it was squall rushing. Quote:
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I dont feel like posting what would happen again. Not to mention your making look like he can cast none-stop and spell are instant. Spell are not working like a fucken Uzi. Seymours wouldnt win. |
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