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D3V 2004-03-13 01:13 PM

The Passions of the Christ
 
I still haven't gotten around to seeing this movie but it looks interesting enough to go watch.

I've heard that the movie is quite graphic, which sounds good enough for me. But a downside is the whole movie is in Aramaic and you have to read the subtitles, which really shouldn't even be that bad. But I think i'm going to go watch it,,,,, comments?


Oh yeah, lets say that you don't believe in god or jesus, Then wouldn't this movie be SCIENCE FICTION? lol

Chruser 2004-03-13 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by D3V
Oh yeah, lets say that you don't believe in god or jesus, Then wouldn't this movie be SCIENCE FICTION? lol

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
science fiction

n : literary fantasy involving the imagined impact of science on society

Combining religion with science is a no-no. Besides, how exactly would your own PERSONAL BELIEF alter the movie genre? Oh, and get used to reading subtitles. It's good for you.

Raziel 2004-03-13 11:20 PM

Man, I'd hate to be the audience that has to watch that movie with you, Dev.

D3V: Fuckin' camel-jockeys!

D3V: *Raises middle finger* That's for 9-11!

D3V: You're all a bunch of sand-niggers!

Adrenachrome 2004-03-14 11:28 AM

I rememebr the first time I heard the term "Sand Niggers", my mom was datin an Egyptian dude, and her ex husband and I used to smoke herbs together after they split up, he called him a sand nigger, I thought it was fuckin hilarious.

zagggon 2004-03-14 11:41 AM

Im not going to go see it mainly because it just sounds sorta boring in general. Also it would be against my "religion is bad" in general policy...

RoboticSilence 2004-03-14 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenachrome
I rememebr the first time I heard the term "Sand Niggers", my mom was datin an Egyptian dude, and her ex husband and I used to smoke herbs together after they split up, he called him a sand nigger, I thought it was fuckin hilarious.

The first time I heard it it made me crack up, too.

As for the movie, I'm not a big fan of Christ, but I want to see this anyway so I can understand the point of view.

Thanatos 2004-03-14 04:37 PM

I've seen it. Yes, it is VERY graphic. I'm a Christian, but the movie didn't change my life or anything. It's just weird to comprehend how much He went through. Of course, I had an idea, but nothing like that. I advise that you all go see it. It may make you re-think some things.

Jamesadin 2004-03-15 12:09 PM

Im seeing it tonight, I'll post a review on it in the Review Secion later. :P

zagggon 2004-03-15 02:43 PM

why re-think your life when all it is is a white guy getting crusified? It's not like god emerges from the clouds and hails down lightning bolts at the romans for what their doing to this random white guy, no big deal really.

Thanatos 2004-03-15 05:40 PM

Random white guy..? Yes.. Jesus is some random white guy.. teh fux? Yeah, random white guys emerge from the dead.. ok. During the making of this movie, the actor that played Jesus got struck by lightning twice and was miraculously unharmed each time. And, zagggon, no shit God didn't stop the Romans. Trust me, if He wanted to He could have, easily. Jesus died for us.

By the way, did you even see the movie?

KagomJack 2004-03-15 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jizmo
Random white guy..? Yes.. Jesus is some random white guy.. teh fux? Yeah, random white guys emerge from the dead.. ok. During the making of this movie, the actor that played Jesus got struck by lightning twice and was miraculously unharmed each time. And, zagggon, no shit God didn't stop the Romans. Trust me, if He wanted to He could have, easily. Jesus died for us.

By the way, did you even see the movie?

I saw The Passion yesterday. It was awesome! Lord of the Rings: Return of the King (before I saw The Passion) was my favorite movie of all time. I must say I like it a lot. My atheistic aunt went to see it (didn't know until my mom told me last night) and now she is praying again. It had a giant impact on people and it is worth seeing, whether you are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, etc. I am going to go see it again for sure! Also, most of the resources Mel used in the movie is from visions of a German nun. But it is extremely accurate to the whole thing. And yet again, I encourage everyone to see it!

platnum 2004-03-15 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raziel

D3V: You're all a bunch of sand-niggers!


omg, that was great.

Penny_Bags 2004-03-16 03:20 PM

Zagggon I could rip you a new asshole on this one, since you are saying that seeing this movie would go against your "religion is bad alltogether... I am an assfuck yada yada" garbage you call a belief system, but I don't feel like I have the time.

Ahhhhh what the hell. I will lay it down for you anyways....

Basically what you are saying is ludacris because seeing this movie would mean you were seeing a movie that is based on interpretation for intertainment purposes, whether you take it to be truth or not. You've played Diablo for entertainment no? Possibly Starcraft? Both games employ the use of some sort of religion for story purposes... yet you seem to have no problem with these. Is it because these aren't "real" religions? So that means just because some people really do believe the stuff involved in The Passion you aren't going to see it? That is ass-backwards. I garuntee you there is some fuck nut who believes he is Neo, does that stop you from seeing the Matrix?

You=dumbass

RoboticSilence 2004-03-16 03:38 PM

Just because it's a religious film doesn't mean religion has to play any role in your viewing of the film.

Penny_Bags 2004-03-16 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RoboticSilence
Just because it's a religious film doesn't mean religion has to play any role in your viewing of the film.

Precisely.

Jamesadin 2004-03-16 06:37 PM

Arg, I know. I was telling one of my friends to see it, and he was like "No, way. I don't believe in God." And I was like "See it anyways. Its beautifully shot"

My, I love this movie. :P

Penny_Bags 2004-03-17 03:15 PM

Yeah, some people are just close minded people that are too big of hardasses to swallow their pride and see the movie. So many people these days think that it makes them look cool to be/act like an atheist.

RoboticSilence 2004-03-17 05:03 PM

Well I am athiest but I've very open-minded and I'm always willing to have discussions with people about their own religions (I'm more knowledgable than the typical "whatever" athiest) and I don't go around telling people that what they believe is wrong. The way I see it, we can't know what is correct until we die or whatever revelation happens.

D3V 2004-03-17 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chruser
Combining religion with science is a no-no. Besides, how exactly would your own PERSONAL BELIEF alter the movie genre? Oh, and get used to reading subtitles. It's good for you.


Well is there any 'actual' evidence that there even was this 'jesus' . I mean I haven't seen of any yet, but YES I do believe in jesus/god and I'm a christian, but I'm just saying if you were an athiest wouldn't this be considered a science fiction? Yes, the bible is literature, and ... what exactly is the movie genre?

I won't mind reading the subtitles, I figure after a few minutes it'll just be like watching Crouching tiget Hidden Dragon

RoboticSilence 2004-03-17 08:13 PM

Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - Kung Fu - Chinese + Aramaic + Inhumane torture - Bhuddism + Christianity - Chinese People + Jews

Penny_Bags 2004-03-17 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RoboticSilence
Well I am athiest but I've very open-minded and I'm always willing to have discussions with people about their own religions (I'm more knowledgable than the typical "whatever" athiest) and I don't go around telling people that what they believe is wrong. The way I see it, we can't know what is correct until we die or whatever revelation happens.

Yeah, you are someone whom I would actually qualify as an atheist,.

Raziel 2004-03-18 03:59 AM

Robo, you're an Agnostic, not an Atheist.

Agnostics believe that there is no way to know what the truth is without proof. Agnostics apply the Missouri rule: "show me." They don't deny or confirm anything. They just believe that without proof, there is no way to determine anything.

An Atheist, on the other hand, refutes the existence of God altogether. Atheists believe that because there is no proof of God's existence, he absolutely does not exist. I consider Atheism to be an extremely asinine doctrine of belief, considering that Atheist beliefs can swing both ways. There is no proof that God doesn't exist. Does that mean he absolutely does exist?

Your beliefs fall more in line with what Agnostics preach. If you've got cold, hard proof, they'll go with it.

ag·nos·tic
n.

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.


Atheism is a disgusting form of belief. Atheism is the absolute denial of any possibility of a higher power, and it's all based on half-truth.

a·the·ist
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.


Robo, you're an Agnostic. Which is a much saner and more reasonable thing to be than an Atheist.

Grav 2004-03-18 04:55 AM

As science advances, I don't see how so many people can still be so strictly religious. People used to think everything was due to some kind of godly presence, even things like the weather. Do you turn on the weather channel for your local prophesied precipitation fluctuation?

I'd like to ask you, what is even half true about an invisible man living in the sky, influencing everyone's life?

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Originally Posted by Raziel
If you've got cold, hard proof, they'll go with it.

What proof is there? Jesus probably lived. I haven't heard about Jesus changing the weather at his whim, before or after the "ressurection."

Assuming a god came to Earth and smacked me in the face, then I'd be more prone to believe it. Until then, it's just a fancy fable.

Raziel 2004-03-18 05:50 AM

The fact is, there is no irrefutable proof that there either is or isn't a God, therefore either situation is equally likely. That's what's half-true about it. The positive or negative possibilities to God's existence are exactly 50/50, because there's absolutely no way to prove it either way. Therefore, one must be true and the other false. Hence the term "half-truth."

RoboticSilence 2004-03-18 07:54 AM

Well, I guess you are correct Raziel. I believe what is proven to me. If someone gives me a good enough arguement and a damn good reason to believe in Jesus, I will. The way I see it, Jesus was probably just the David Blaine of his time.

Grav 2004-03-18 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Raziel
The fact is, there is no irrefutable proof that there either is or isn't a God, therefore either situation is equally likely. That's what's half-true about it. The positive or negative possibilities to God's existence are exactly 50/50, because there's absolutely no way to prove it either way. Therefore, one must be true and the other false. Hence the term "half-truth."

There's a 50% chance that I'm omnipotent, then.

Seriously though, what kind of logic is that. There's a 50% chance of everything.

50% chance that this guy stole a purse.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Well, there wasn't any evidence so in this case nothing has been proven.

Can anyone prove anything at all that suggests there is such a thing as a god?

zagggon 2004-03-19 01:09 PM

there is no god


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