Non-racially aware people read this.
 

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=186614

Tell me what you think. (This wasn't posted by me)

Stormfront is some of the gayest shit I've ever seen. Anyone who visists their regularly that believes any of that shit is a retard, and everyone else is a troll, kind of like you.

Disprove anything the members there say.

I've disproved your gay shit umpteen times, fuckwit, you're just too damned dense to get anything through that big piece of shit you have in your skull that you call a brain.

We read about the KKK today and how backwards they were in History. They're nothing BUT dense fuckwits.

Originally they weren't. Things got out of hand. The creator of the KKK himself left because things were going down a road he didn't want them to.

I love how this thread is titled. Think about it for a second...

Well...check out White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan! They speak the truth! http://www.wckkkk.com/index2.html

(Fifty bucks to the first person who sends some faux anthrax to them)

I'm really just sick and tired of how everyone seems Americans treated their slaves the worst, when the truth is they probably treated them the best or close to it.(not that I approve of slavery or anything)

For my part, I've researched it quite a bit. I've visited plantation homes (some of which were owned by Black/Colored individuals who evidently had little problem with using slave labor in their own fields) and seen some of the surviving cabins where slaves were housed.

TRUST me...No African slave in the United States ever ran the risk of being butchered and eaten, or tortured to death as part of some barbarous religious ceremony. The slave populations survived AND THRIVED in America because of how they were treated.

It's amazing how powerful a little bit of knowledge is and how it can affect a person's point of view. Do yourself a favor and start asking the right questions.

What are the right questions?

1) Why are the Code Noirs and other civic codes regulating the treatment of slaves basically unmentionned in history classes?

2) Why is it that the great abolitionists of the antebellum period that are most lauded are Blacks such as Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman? There were PLENTY of White abolitionists who conspired at the risk of their lives and liberty to liberate slaves, yet they remain anonymous, and virtually forgotten?

3) WHY are the free Black/Colored classes who owned vast numbers of slaves to work their plantations and businesses unmentioned?

In other words, WHY is society deliberately painting Whites as "evil" and "oppressive" slaveholders and Blacks are depicted as "helpless victim" types when this situation simply was not the case?

Does it not sound to you like someone is deliberately manipulating the truth to create conflict?

Really? Do you reall have any idea of how stupid you are? Obviously not. Just talk to any old black man, and they'll tell you about the evils of slavery, as they've heard first hand from people who were once slaves about the institution itself. But of course, you'd be too damned dense to accept that. You're a brainwashed piece of scum, and for the greater good of man kind, you should be fucking annhilated from the face of the planet, yet the "Jewish" government, that you so ingorantly loathe, has let you live. I swear to you, if I were in power, I would not permit ignorant poons to live. I have no problem with stupid people. Stupid people are born stupid. They have been passed the stupid gene, through no fault of their own, and really can't help it. The difference between you, and a stupid person, is that you choose to be ignorant, and that my friend, is the real definition of a retard.

You want to know the truth about slavery? Ask an old black man. I've told you many times.

You choose to ignore the stuff that the history books written by many accredited historians say, yet you come to accept what other retards have written? That makes no sense to me. I could understand someone questioning the history books, but then to turn around and say that something else is write is complete and utter bullcrap. Even if any of the stuff you had said had any substance behind it whatsoever, the simple fact that you're so hypocritical and contradictory about believing one source, and ignoring others, discredits you altogether. Of course, the fact that you choose to plagiarize does so too.

So take my advice and go ask an old black man about it. Even when the truth slaps you upside the face with the force of a billion gamma rays, you'd still be too damned dense to get it through. Face it. You choose to believe what you want. Whether it has any substance or not is irrelevant to you. You're living in your own, deranged fairy-tale world.

Those are pretty obvious lies. One, you claim to have visited plantation homes. Had you done this, and you'd found relevant information to back what you believe, you would at least have been able to come up with something halfway decent, even if you did have to pull it out of your ass. But the plain and simple fact is, you, fuckwit, choose to plagiarize. You don't know enough about the matter which you so assiduously try to defend to write a few simple paragraphs about it, and that is pretty sad.

Two, you claim to have visited plantations which were owned by blacks, but the truth is, there were so few free blacks in the south, and even fewer who owned slaves -- you could probably count them without using more than 4 bits of memory -- that the odds that you visited a plantation owned by a black man is so small that your above paragraph just seems ridiculous.

Third, through the connotation of your post, you seem to be hinting that the cabins in which the slaves were housed were fairly decent. Bullshit! Thiry slaves sleeping in 1000 sq ft on the hard floor. You do the math.

No, the slave population survived and thrived in America, because without them, America would not have survived and thrived. It was a mutualistic relationship. Oh, and trust me, there are many cases where slaves were whipped to death, or beaten to an inch of their life. That is torture. There's no disputing that. In fact, if you look in the dictionary, I think it has a picture of just that next to the definition of the word torture.

I'll say it one final time. You really want to learn about slavery? You don't think that it was evil? Ask an old black man.

I've posted on stormfront a few times...whenever you actually make an argument that makes them look bad or just totally pwns them, the mods neglect to post them (since all non-regular-members's posts are moderated).

Take a look in their opposing views section. Most of the people who post there denouncing the whole white nationalist movement are stupid 14 year olds without a shred of intelligence, just shouting "omg u guyz r rong!! lol." They let these posts get by to make everyone else look like a retard, when in fact they just neglect to post threads from more decently-witted people when they totally own them.

A really old black man. Like 140 years old at least.

Are you sure it was you who visited those plantations? Are you sure it wasn't somebody else?

Maybe he did it via the internet??? The wonders of the internet nowadays...I could take a virtual tour of Manchester without actually having to go there and look at all the crap that isn't shown on the virtual tour...

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He he he...zonalon really should choose his titles with care... :p

I could call you brainwashed by the Jewish supremacists, but I haven't.

Almost everything written in a book has been Jewified.


I'm going to quote David Duke on this: We may have controlled some slave trade (I still believe there were a few Jews behind this), but the Jews aren't innocent either.

You have all your life held up racial supremacism as the great evil. But, the liberal media slight of hand has kept your eyes off the world’s oldest, most extreme racial supremacism, Jewish supremacism.

You have let them convince of the evil of Whites who ran the slave trade while they have kept from you knowing that the slave trade was completely dominated by Jews. One can talk about the sins of White people in regard to slavery for 200 years in America, but do you notice how you can never talk about the Jewish wrongs in controlling the world wide slave trade for 2000 years!

They have told you of the evil of most American states that would not legally allow intermarriage between blacks and whites, but they have not talked to you about the fact that your tax money is sent to Israel which will not legally allow any mixed marriages of Jews and non-Jews.

You have been taught the segregation of American society and schools or the same in South Africa were the highest moral sins, yet how often it is mentioned that Israel is the most segregated nation on earth. It has segregated schools, neighborhoods, apartment buildings, even whole towns! You were in favor of sanctions against South Africa, but allow your tax money goes to support this Israeli Apartheid!

You have been taught that controlling immigration by ethnic heritage is wrong, but your tax money is sent to Israel, a nation dedicated to an immigration policy to preserve the ethnic and religious dominance of Jews.

You have let Jewish supremacists hide the bean from you and tell you that the Iraq War was about “American imperialism” and oil, when the truth is that the war obviously harmed America in every way: economically, in the blood of men and women, and even in the price of oil! In fact the war was from the beginning only about one thing: the smiting of the Jewish enemy: Saddam Hussein, and about Israeli supremacy in the Mideast. This war was never about any true legitimate American interest. It has been a horrible disaster for America and the American people in every possible way!

You hear about corporate profits and Saudi connections from people like Michael Moore, but you don’t hear about the huge costs of the war that have hurt most American businesses! You don’t hear how the real architects of the War the Jewish Neocons who made this war for Israel not America!

And why don’t you hear much about these things? Other than a few very courageous Jews, (of whom I often quote) the Jewish supremacists in the left just like those of the right, they play the shell game every day in their media. They deceive you about liberal concerns the same way they conceive conservatives on conservative issues.

At least conservatives at heart believe in the idea that Whites should be allowed to preserve their heritage, their identity, their independence and their freedom. Liberals seem to believe this principle only applies to people of “color.”

But, you liberals who are so concerned with racism and supremacism, when will you act to expose the world’s most virulent racism! You should be a lot angrier at Jewish supremacism than conservatives, but where are your voices? Instead, too many of your choose to condemn me by what the Jewish supremacists say of me!

At the same time too many conservatives are taught that liberals are the real enemies. I don’t think that’s true. I think most liberals approach the issues from a standpoint of honestly believing what they say. Both liberals and conservatives are deceived by the same Jewish supremacists who divide us by saying different things to both of us, and by never letting us see the hidden bean underneath the media moving shell that they dazzle us with.

Those are my thoughts today, spawned by the 8 minute beating that I had to take on the O’Reilly show. I will continue to take such abuse, because anyone who reaches for the hand moving the shell with the bean can expect a powerful reaction from the cheater. I will not stop reaching for that hand!

Some of you, both liberals and conservatives who came to my website address as a result of the show are now reading these lines. Good luck in sorting your way to the truth. I urge you to challenge me on the ideas and facts I present. If you question any of my assertions, use the search engine on my site and you will find a huge amount of documentary evidence in support of my contentions.

And don’t stop there, check out my citations. And if you want to get a full exposition on these ideas I present read my books My Awakening and Jewish Supremacism.

A perfect example of the lies we labor under is the history of the slave trade. I leave you with a question that might make you ponder. If the media makes it acceptable for whites to be accorded a collective blame and guilt for slavery, then why is it not acceptable to collectively criticize Jews for their dominant role in the slave trade for 20 centuries? And what if this dominant Jewish role in the slave trade is boasted about by Jewish historians and chroniclers themselves? You can read the Jewish histories for yourself if you so wish. I have.

In the movie Amistad, the Jewish supremacist Steven Spielberg failed to acquaint you with any of facts of Jewish dominance of the slave trade in his portrayal of Newport, Rhode Island, the center of the slave-trading industry and in no small coincidence, the home of the largest Jewish settlement in the American colonies. All of Spielberg’s characters were conspicuous White Christians. That’s one small microcosm of the way all of us are manipulated every day.

If just one of you conservatives or liberals that are reading this begins to simply ask some good questions and starts to seek some answers – my 8 minutes of abuse was well worth it.


Again, we might have done some wrongs, but the Jewish supremacists have done even more wrongs.


While I certainly can't refute this argument because none of us were alive back then, I will say that over 90% of slavery can be pinpointed on Jewish supremacists.

My colored cousin, I do not hate you; I love you. We should ally together against the Jewish supremacists.

I'm sure mjordan would like to see things from your point of view, but he can't get his head that far up his ass.

Hm, do they also teach you kids anything about the atrocities of the Jews? OH! Of course not! Jews have never done anything bad in history! :haha:

http://www.kkklan.com/briefhist.htm

It was amid this atmosphere that John Lester, James Crowe, John Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard Reed, and Frank McCord met in a law office in Pulaski, Tn., on Christmas Eve, 1865 and, innocently enough, decided to form a social club for the purpose of mutual entertainment. The club adopted the style of the college fraternities in vogue at the time. They would dress up in weird costumes and play practical jokes on unsuspecting people. To create an aura of mystery they invented an unusual name and called their social club: the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1866, the popularity of the Ku Klux Klan grew through out Tennessee and beyond. At the same time depredations committed by renegade Blacks and Whites, coupled with the absents of constitutional law and vengeance seeking Radical Republicans, made life in the South become all but unbearable. Quite by accident the nocturnal pranksters of the Ku Klux Klan discovered that their costumes and highjinks had a startling effect on the superstitious Negroes. The Negroes thought they were seeing ghosts whenever a group of Klansmen were seen going about at night. The Klan was quick to realize that their newly discovered ghostly image could be used to control bands of unruly Negroes. At first the night riders went out unarmed. Not intending to hurt anyone, they believed that anyone they met would be too frightened to try to harm them. Things were soon to change.

When the Carpetbagger and Scalawag politicians noticed that renegade Negroes were beginning to behave themselves and crime went drastically down in areas where a Den of the Klan had been established, they reacted swiftly. Carpetbaggers and Scalawags were manipulators. They thrived in the violent post Civil War period where they could take advantage of people's fears to increase their own fortunes and political powers. The Loyal League and Union League made willing allies. The Klan was, for the most part, made up of ex-Confederates who were hated by the Loyal League and if crime and violence went down, no one could justify the expense of maintaining the Negro Militias. The Loyal League and Union League began night patrols in the name of protecting the terrified Negro population. These patrols did not hesitate to open fire on the Klansmen, who, up to that point, were guilty of nothing worse then Halloween tricks. The Klan responded in kind. Soon skirmishes broke out when night patrols of each side would chance encounter each other.

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Once organized under Grand Wizard Forrest, the Klan became a force to be reckoned with. Disbanded Confederate units reunited to form Dens of the Klan. Ex-Confederate officers became the Grand Dragons, Giants, and Titans. Ex-Confederate common soldiers made up the rank and file of the Klan and were called Ghouls. As this was happening, other organizations independently began to form in the South to combat the depredations of outlaws, renegade Whites and Blacks, the Union and Loyal Leagues, Carpetbag rule, and the outrages allowed by the Reconstruction Acts of Congress.

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Once organized under Grand Wizard Forrest, the Klan became a force to be reckoned with. Disbanded Confederate units reunited to form Dens of the Klan. Ex-Confederate officers became the Grand Dragons, Giants, and Titans. Ex-Confederate common soldiers made up the rank and file of the Klan and were called Ghouls. As this was happening, other organizations independently began to form in the South to combat the depredations of outlaws, renegade Whites and Blacks, the Union and Loyal Leagues, Carpetbag rule, and the outrages allowed by the Reconstruction Acts of Congress. Some of these new organizations were: the knights of the White Camellia, the White League, the White Brotherhood, and the Red Shirts to name a few. These organizations were independent from, yet just as secret as, the Ku Klux. Having no legal rights, members of these organizations could not afford to have their identities made known and solemn oaths of secrecy were taken by all. The secrecy was both a help and a hindrance to the Klan. While it protected the identity of its members, it became difficult to tell if an act had been committed by the Klan, one of the other ant-reconstruction organizations, or by outlaws impersonating the Klan. In the forty seven volumes that make up the Ku Klux Report to Congress, there is ample documentation to prove that most of the atrocities attributed to the Klan were, in fact, committed by the other anti-reconstruction organizations, outlaws impersonating the Klan, and in many cases Loyal Leaguers and Black Union Leaguers who would disguise themselves as Klansmen and raid Negro hamlets to instill anti-white sentiment for political purposes. The Reconstruction authorities soon declared the Ku Klux Klan and all other resistance groups as outlaws. The Negro militias were ordered to kill on sight anyone believed to be a Klansman.

During all this the Klan tried to keep its intentions on a high level. When the Klan "Ku Kluxed" someone it was only after the victim was given a trial and was allowed to choose someone to speak on their behalf and defend them. The Klan also gave large sums of money to war widows and orphans.

The victims of the Klan, who were White as well as Black, tended to be people proven to be guilty of serious crimes such as barn burnings, theft, rape, or murder. Corrupt politicians, Carpetbaggers and Scalawags were also Ku Kluxed. Usually the Klan left cryptic messages to warn minor offenders, but if these warnings were ignored, they too could be Ku Kluxed, which meant anything from a flogging to execution. These were barbaric times, but the Klan sought to restore law and order, not to destroy it. There was, in fact, no law and the Klan only used force when the forces of the Radical Republicans gave it no other choice.

Ignored by most modern historians is the fact that after the Civil War many ex-Union soldiers chose to settle in the South. Shocked by the outrageous conditions reconstruction imposed upon the White South, many of these ex-Union soldiers either joined or supported the Klan or the other resistance groups. Many Union soldiers and officers occupying parts of the conquered South co-operated with the Klan in fighting Carpetbag rule and outrages committed by Negro organizations.

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The term "ku klux" became popular and was widely used. Any resistance to reconstruction was given the label "ku klux". In their efforts to crush all resistance, the Radical Republicans labeled ALL white southerners as "Ku Klux" and the atrocities committed by outlaws, bandits, impersonators, and anyone else were all laid to the Klan's blame. With the death penalty hanging over their heads, Klansmen were in no position to come forward and openly deny the charges and defend themselves. But the Klan did attempt to police the situation. The Klan issued public warnings that anyone caught committing a crime while disguised as a Klansman would be executed. It is documented that the Klan publicly posted warnings condemning the mistreatment of innocent Blacks and it is equally documented that on at least one occasion the KKK even hung one of its own members for beating up an unoffending Black man.

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The Klan was in a dilemma. It found itself in a two front war. On the one hand they were confronting criminals, carpetbaggers, and renegade Negroes in their efforts to protect their families and restore law and order. On the other hand they had to deal with impersonators who committed all manner of outrages motivated by everything from personal revenge to political manipulations. Plus the Klan, itself, was declared outlaw and hunted. As anti-white reconstruction legislation became more brutal the situation worsened. All sides clashed in nocturnal pitch battles which sometimes involved hundreds of participants as well as the use of cannon. During reconstruction there were approximately 50,000 casualties. The Klan grew to over 400,000 members. Negroes, on the one hand, opposed the Klan while Black Union Leaguers impersonated the Klan to ferment further unrest and anti-white hatred. At the same time thousands of Negroes aided the Klan who helped rid them of carpetbaggers and outlaws. There is documented proof that there were even Negroes who were actually sworn into the KKK as members.

The Klan was not formed to bring "da black man down"

I don't think Kagom would want to see things from your point of view...

*cough*Just another victim of Jewish supremacism*cough*

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! You're my new funny guy...:haha:...not...:(

There's always two sides to every (HI)story. Jewish supremacists can't always get away with their simple-minded, racist (Oh wait, I forgot. You can't be racist towards white people. They deserve it, right?) examinations of history.

ALSO... on the burning of crosses.

The most common myth is that the original Klan burned crosses. This is the invention of fiction writer, Thomas Dixon, and elaborated upon by movie producer, D.W. Griffith. In the 47 volumes that make up the Ku Klux Report to Congress, not one eye witness, not one ex-Klansman, not one surviving victim, not one newspaper article makes any reference at all to a fiery cross of any kind. In the Klan's own Prescripts much detail is given to making the Klan flag or Grand Ensign, but no mention of a cross, fiery or otherwise, is made. It was not until 1915, that former Methodist minister, William Joseph Simmons, adopted the Methodist religious symbol of the fiery cross as a symbol for his revived Ku Klux Klan, after being inspired by the Dixon novel, "The Clansman" and the Griffith motion picture, "The Birth of a Nation".

For nearly one hundred years the Klan was recognized as the savior of the white South. Amid the lawlessness and chaos of the Reconstruction Era the Klan sought to restore law and order and protect the defenseless population. It was incredibly successful. Unfortunately for all involved, it could only use the means at hand. Amid a reign of terror committed by the highest levels of government, to the lowest common outlaws, the Klan resorted to the use of terror. Having felt they accomplished their goals for the most part, the Klan disbanded itself and was not defeated by government legislation. Had there never been a revival of the Ku Klux Klan, the original Klan would have maintained its place in history as an organization of decent men who were forced under unbearable conditions to do only what was necessary to protect life, liberty, and property at a time of unprecedented lawlessness and abuse of authority by a government gone mad with power. (Just like today.)

For further reading I recommend the following books:

Invisible Empire, by Stanley Horn. Not available from the IHRF, but it can be found on the internet, in libraries, and book stores.

Available from the IHRF and listed on our web page:

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan $18.00

The Story of the Ku Klux Klan $ 8.00

A Story of the Original Ku Klux Klan $ 2.50

Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth, and Disbandment $7.00

A Pictorial History of the Ku Klux Klan $ 5.00

Let me now make it well-known that I do not support today's Klan, for it is rather unneeded.

No. Ask a 70 year old black man . . .

My grandfather says he remember hearing from his grandparents and great grandparents about what it was like. So you can't get first-hand stories from a slave, but there are people who've actually heard exactly what it was like, and I think if you don't want to believe a history book, then perhaps you'd believe it from somebody who actually knows about it.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post, but this really got me. DID YOU FUCKING READ MY POST? I wasn't even talking about books. If you don't believe the books, ask someone who knows.

Well zonalon knows about it! Cmon! He was there!

Ask a really old white guy what it was like living in the South in post-Civil war pre-KKK times.

Why don't you take your own advice. It was good for the white folks. I mean -- they were allowed to vote and everything.

The following are all from the years 1920 - 21:

On Sept. 17, in Richmond, Va., a police officer was killed by a criminal. The Richmond Klan sent $100 to the widow.

On Aug. 27, in Charleston, W.Va., Klansmen contributed $275 toward the support of the Old Ladies Home in Kanawha County.

In March the Charlottesville, Va., Klan gave $1,000 to the University of Virginia Centennial Endowment Fund.

November 24, the Henderson, Tx. Klan gave $50 to two Negroes in needy circumstances. (http://www.kkklan.com/various2.gif)

October 1, the Atlanta Klan contributed $100 to help pay expenses of Confederate veterans from Atlanta to Houston, Tx., at the annual reunion of the United Confederate Veterans.

Nov. 23, the Greenville, Tx., Klan contributed $1,000 toward rebuilding Wesley College, which had been destroyed by fire.

On Christmas Day, 1921, the Atlanta, Ga., Klan contributed $125 to the Christmas fund for former slaves.

Nov. 25, the Memphis, Tn., Klan gave $100 to the Red Cross.

Nov. 7, the Goliad, Tx., Klan contributed $50 to a town citizen whose home and possessions had been destroyed by fire.

June 22, the San Antonio, Tx., Klan gave $100 to the local Orphan's Home.

July 6, the Wharton, Tx., Klan contributed $50 to a destitute widow.

July 9, the Cureo, Tx., Klan gave $60 to help a man afflicted with tuberculosis.

Nov. 21, the Austin, Tx., Klan sent $100 to the Salvation Army.

July 20, the Dallas, Tx., Klan sent $100 to the Orphans' Home.

The Atlanta Klan gave $1,000 to the Agnes Scott Girls' School in that city.

Nov. 29, the Washington, D.C., Klan gave $100 to the Salvation Army.

During this same time period the Atlanta Klan loaned $15,000, interest free, to small tradesmen who needed capital for their businesses. The Klan loaned many more thousands of dollars, free of interest, to small tradesmen across the country.

The Execution of Bill German in Overton County.

The Union and American of Saturday says: "By a private letter from a trustworthy gentleman residing at Cookville in Putnam County, we give some further information in regard to the recent execution near Livingston, in Overton County, by a body of supposed Ku-Klux, of the young man Wm. German, an account of which we published Thursday morning. "He says that a few days before the execution, German shot and badly wounded, and supposed he had killed, a Negro man living in his neighborhood. The shooting took place in a public road, and the Negro managed to crawl to the house of his employer, where he told who had shot him. The Negro had the character of being a quiet, peaceable man, and as there had been no previous trouble between him and German, it was supposed the crime was perpetrated in pure wantonness.

It is thought that the persons by whom German was killed were members of a secret organization, to which he belonged - but whether Ku-Klux or not, nobody in the neighborhood appears to know. The body of men concerned in the execution numbered about 200, and none of them were identified by citizens who witnessed their appearance and departure. Accounts reported Bill German was found hanged in a nearby barn; a sign posted there declared: Hung for shooting a Negro, Bill Cullum, and violating the laws of Ku Klux."

After the original KKK disbanded there was no Ku Klux Klan until it was revived in 1915. Therefore, we feel that the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica gives an unbiased and accurate brief description of the original Ku Klux Klan. It will be interesting to the reader to compare today's Encyclopaedia Britannica to this edition.

http://www.kkklan.com/briefh4.gif

HAHA! WRONG!

Did you even read any of my posts? One delegate to the Tennessee Constitutional Convention stated that the only right the Rebels had was to be hung. Worsening the post war situation were the infamous Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, who sought personal profit and political power by exploiting the plight of both the freed Negroes and conquered Whites. The Radical Republicans declared the Southern States would have to be re-constructed before they could be re-admitted into the Union. Until then, the ex-Confederates had no rights of citizenship. Southern whites were completely disenfranchised with no legal standing. They could not vote, hold public office, or petition for the redress of grievances. In an effort to stop the lawlessness, the South was divided into five military districts and marshal law declared. Through out the South, freed Negroes formed the Union League and Black Militias and in most areas were given the task of enforcing marshal law. Led by corrupt officers and self serving politicians, the Union League became the most violent and murderous arm of the reconstruction to Blacks and Whites alike.

The North opressed us both.

Very nice. More copy and paste.

http://www.cosforums.com/archive/index.php/t-19529.html

Of course, the fact that you got this from a klan website discredits what you have to say anyway. And really, was the klan so petty that it recorded when it gave $50, and considered it a good thing. Perhaps you should also mention, as many "good things" the klan did from 1920-1921, it also did that many lynchings in a day.

Just read Invisible Empire, by Stanley Horn. Not available from the IHRF, but it can be found on the internet, in libraries, and book stores.

Available from the IHRF and listed on our web page:

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan $18.00

The Story of the Ku Klux Klan $ 8.00

A Story of the Original Ku Klux Klan $ 2.50

Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth, and Disbandment $7.00

A Pictorial History of the Ku Klux Klan $ 5.00

the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica

Besides, the original Klan was way better than the 1920's one, I'll agree with you on that one. If it wasn't revived, perhaps we'd hear more of the good things the Klan did back in the 1800's. The original Klan did not support the killing of innocent men, black or white.

More good things the Klan did in 1920:

During this same time period the Atlanta Klan loaned $15,000, interest free, to small tradesmen who needed capital for their businesses. The Klan loaned many more thousands of dollars, free of interest, to small tradesmen across the country.

January, 1921, there was a race riot at Winter Gardens, Fl., the local Klansmen helped to suppress the riot, and members of that Klan stood guard for three days and three nights, protecting lives and property in the Negro quarters.

Feb. 5, 1921, the Mayor of Columbus, Ga., praised the Columbus Klan for its assistance to the police department during an epidemic of burglaries.

In Atlanta, Ga., a mob formed to storm the jail and lynch a Negro charged with an atrocious crime. Col. Simmons happened to be passing and sent Klansmen among the mob to persuade them to disband, which was done. Later when the Negro was taken from the jail to the courthouse, Klansmen stationed along the way prevented any act of violence against the accused.

Nov. 25, the Little Rock, Ar., Klan gave the chief of police $1,000 as reward money for the arrest and conviction of anyone attacking a woman.

Well, no shit. The south broke the fucking country up and started a war. There's plenty of reason that the north was wary of having the south back in power, and giving rebel leaders U.S. citizenship. But in the 1870s, everything returned to normal. You know what you needed to do to vote? All you needed to do was make a simple pledge that you were loyal to the union. That's it. Now, when the south couldn't do that . . .

Also, white people couldn't vote directly after the war in the south, for a couple of years maybe. By the next presidential election, though, the southern whites were voting. Of course, grandfather clauses didn't affect white poeple.

And the north didn't opress either of us. Perhaps you don't know, but I was born 130 years after that time period.

The North still opresses us today. They keep sending in illegal immigrants to steal our jobs.

Besides, our votes don't even count. The elections are always rigged.

In Portland, Or., in the early 1920's, the Ku Klux Klan pledged $50,000 to a children's home and held a Christmas party featuring Kris Kringle. The Klan also organized a Klan Kommunity Kit to compete with the Community Chest, church visits became a kind of ritual. Typically, a small group of Klansmen would march down the aisle, hand the minister an offering of money, and silently depart. (page 39)

Protestant ministers quickly found that the Klan's emphasis on religion helped swell church attendance. (page 41)

Most Klansmen were law abiding, church going family men. Klansmen also hoped to eliminate vice and corruption through the ballot box. One Klansman declared, "Everybody knows that politicians nowadays cater to all kinds of elements, mostly selfish, some corrupt, and some definitely anti-American. They cater to the vice vote and even to the violently criminal vote. What the Klan intends to do is make them pay some attention to the decent God fearing, law abiding vote." (pages 42-43)

During the 1920's, the Klan was subjected not only to verbal abuse but also to physical assault in some areas. Bootleggers, for example, did not take kindly to the Klan's attempts to enforce prohibition. When New Jersey's Klan declared war on local bootleggers, the rum runners formed a defense council and publicly threatened to "Shoot to kill" anyone other then a policeman who interfered with their illegal traffic in liquor. (page 68)

The Klan always believed in justice. It against (or it was, anyway) Klan law to kill an innocent.

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All you liberals listen up. If the Klan was an all Protestant group, then why were/are there other types of religious groups in the Klan?

One lie leads to another.

The following was taken from the Bloomington, Ill. "Daily Bulletin", Feb. 21, 1922, page 1:

Headline: "Thanks to the Ku Klux Klan, Shawnee, Okla." - Negro comes into newspaper office, asks that letter be printed. "To members of the Ku Klux Klan - Greetings - We wish to thank you for your courtesy for helping to stop dishonesty and immoral practices in this section of town. We will appreciate any future steps that you may take to completely wipe out these practices. (signed) The Colored Secret Spying Society of South Town.

The following was taken from the Bloomington, Ill. "Daily Pantagraph" Sept. 17, 1924:

Headline: "Klansmen donate to Negro Church". Galesburg - 100 robed men walked into colored church during services and gave $65.00 to pastor with note, "The Klan is your friend."

The following was taken from Chicago's "Dawn", Dec. 23, 1922:

Headline: "Black Billy Sunday in Ft. Worth, Tx. likes Klan, preaches at St. James Church".

From "Dawn" Nov. 24, 1923, page 11:

Headline: "Negroes refuse to join war on Klan in Suffolk, N.Y.; nine of sixteen ministers with Catholics say Klan isn't harmful to them. Just against intermarriage."

From "Dawn", Oct. 20, 1923, page 10:

Headline: "Dixon Klan gives to Negro Baptist Church". At the Sunday service, Oct. 14, at the Colored Baptist Church here, the local organization of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan presented the congregation with an envelope containing four ten dollar bills. About three weeks ago the minister of this congregation received a letter ordering him to leave the city within twelve hours and letter was signed K.K.K., which is merely another example of the false propaganda being sent out by those who oppose this American organization. ... The minister responded with his thanks and assured us that it was received in the proper spirit, and would be used in the proper way. He also said if the Klan is composed of such men and holds such high principles his prayer to God is for more Klansmen."

From "Dawn", Dec. 2, page 8:

Headline: "Klan visits Negro Preacher." Sour Lake, Tx. - The Negro Methodist church was the scene of an extraordinary sensation last Sunday afternoon when several white robed Klansmen entered the building and presented the pastor with a donation of $40.00 and a message of encouragement. The visit followed the request of the pastor to Rev. Charles W. Hughes, pastor of the First Methodist church, to assist him in raising funds for religious work in the Colored community. Rev. Hughes delivered a sermon on "Money" before the dusky congregation and assisted in taking up the collection."

Also, from that same page of "Dawn":

Headline: "Negro leader learns Klan is friend." Madison, Wis. - The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the Negroes of Madison have buried the hatchet. This was indicated the other day by statements of Klan leaders and Rev. F.J. Peterson, pastor of the African Bethel church, who is regarded as a local leader of his race. The pastor acknowledged receipt of a donation of $25.00 made by the Klansmen. "The board of trustees of our church regards the donation as being made in good faith and has accepted it as such," Rev. Peterson said. "It has helped to dispel natural prejudices and to encourage better feeling. ...In a letter which accompanied the gift, it is declared that reports that the Ku Klux Klan is an anti-Negro organization are untrue."

A summing up of the New Jersey KKK. Much of the following was taken from, "Hooded Americanism, the History of the Ku Klux Klan", by David Chalmers, the "Good Citizen" magazine, and Klan records.

The KKK first spread to New Jersey from the states of New York and Pennsylvania early in 1921 and has had a history of being a peaceful Klan. Attorney Arthur Bell was N.J.'s first and longest reigning Grand Dragon. He ruled the New Jersey KKK right up to the Klan's disbandment in the 1940's. His wife Leah Bell was the state leader of the Women of the Ku Klux Klan. The Klan's first strongholds were in Passaic, Bergen, Essex, Union, and Morris counties and in the area around Trenton and Camden. But the Klan grew strongest in Monmouth county.

In the mid-twenties, the Klan marched, rallied, and worshipped. It reached a membership of around 100,000. The Klan built Monroe Recreational Park and Shark River Recreational Park, where the Grand Dragon lived and the Imperial Wizard visited. (The Klan placed the valuable Shark River Recreational Park in the name of the Monmouth Pleasure Club Association.

Before long the Klan prospered and spread throughout the state. It's purposes were to protect the Constitution and pure womanhood; preserve the White race, the separation of church and state, and uphold law and order. There were no substantiated reports of actual Klan violence and ceremonial cross lightings were common. Drunkenness, wife beatings, mixed marriages, child abuse, and immorality were particularly opposed by the N.J. Klan. Apart from it's nocturnal rituals and fraternalism, the primary concern of the N.J. Klan was the preservation of the traditional American values. As the Klan's Tri-K-Girls put it, "The return to the teachings of our mothers." This meant stressing the virtues of Christian fundamentalism and temperance. It was not surprising, therefore, that in New Jersey this often led to friendly relations and co-operation with many churches.

It became characteristic of the N.J. Klan to receive support from the ministry. Although Baptist, Presbyterian, Dutch Reformed, and Evangelical pastors and churches supplied pulpits and prestige for the Klan, its truest friends came from the Pillar of Fire Church and the Methodists. Bishop Alma White's religious community of Zarepath (near Bound Brook) favored the Klan which they saw as an ally in the fight to protect bible Christianity against modern distortions and criticism. The Pillar of Fire Church looked with favor upon the Klan's fiery cross. Bishop White praised the Klan by sermon, book, and in the church's Good Citizen publication. Bishop White also predicted that the Klan would be popular among the colleges starting with Princeton University. The Imperial Wizard visited the Bishop White at her Zarepath church grounds several times.

Klansmen appeared at friendly churches such as the Third Presbyterian in Elizabeth, the Grace Methodist in Kearney, the First Baptist in Bayonne, the Calvary Methodist Episcopal in Paterson, the Grace Methodist Episcopal in Newark, and the Colonial United Methodist Church in Oxford. Usually they entered "robed up", sat in reserved sections, donated money to the minister, gave talks on why the Klan favored positive Christianity, and peacefully departed as church choirs sang "Onward Christian Soldiers". While approving Klansmen and congregations listened, ministers gave special sermons on Americanism, and quoted from Romans 12:1, the Klan's verse of the New Testament.

In Monmouth and Ocean Counties Klansmen regularly paraded through the streets of Long Branch, Asbury Park, Point Pleasant, and Lakewood on their way to Sunday morning services. Members of the clergy joined the Klan. The recruiters and speakers of the N.J. Klan were often ministers and some pastors headed Klaverns or held state or local Klan office. Of all the denominations, the ministers of the Methodist Episcopal Church were most prominent in Klan affairs. Many ministers in New Jersey felt that it was part of their duty to seek out and reproach transgressors. They warmly approved joint efforts with the Klan to carry it out. The principal objectives of their concern were usually immorality and drunkenness. In Asbury Park, the Civic Church League and the Klan met at the First Methodist Episcopal Church to combine forces against such. Although vice was always a matter of concern, the bond uniting Klan and churchmen was a common struggle against alcohol abuse. During this time the KKK donated money to the Negro church of Belmar and paid off the mortgage to the Negro church of Vineland.

In the spring of 1923, the Klan went to the state assembly to support a bill to permit New Testament readings in public schools. (Such was not considered a violation of the separation of church and state at the time.) Later that summer the Klan and the Ministerial Association of Plainfield joined in opposition to Sabbath breaking. Some ministers preached that the Klan was the only hope of bringing straying Christians back into the fold, and the Grand Dragon promised that he would strive to return New Jersey to "The Old Time Religion". In the village of Atco, near Camden, the Klan participated in the dedication of a new non-denominational church. Throughout the 1920's, the relationship between Klan and clergy continued. Klansmen and churchmen joined to sponsor Senator Heflin for president at a rally at Upsala College. In Atlantic City, the extremely active local Klansmen accused the city government of protecting vice and lawlessness. The Klan took part in the Flag Day parade in Bloomfield. In 11926, the Unity Klan No. 17 of Rahway and Linden sponsored a fund raising drive to rebuild the Negro Church of Carteret. The banner on photo below reads: "Help Us To Rebuild The Negro Church Of Carteret".

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In 1923, H.L. Mencken and George Jean Nathan, recognized critics of the American scene, described the Ku Klux Klan for Smart Set, their journal of satirical sophistication. They flayed every organizational aspect of the national life. Sparing no one, majority or minority, they connected the KKK with all that was ludicrous and unwarranted in a society which they felt represented mediocracy. They wrote:

"Not a single solitary sound reason has yet been advanced for putting the Ku Klux Klan out of business. If the Klan is against the Jews, so are half of the good hotels of the Republic and three-quarters of the good clubs. If the Klan is against the foreign born or the hyphenated citizen, so is the National Institute of Arts and Letters. If the Klan is against the Negro, so are all of the states south of the Mason-Dixon line. If the Klan is for damnation and persecution, so is the Methodist Church. If the Klan is bent upon political control, so are the American Legion and Tammany Hall. If the Klan wears grotesque uniforms, so do the Knights of Pythias and Mystic Shriners. If the Klan holds its meetings in the dead of night, so do the Elks. If the Klan conducts its business in secret, so do all college Greek letter fraternities and the Department of State. If the Klan holds idiotic parades in the public streets, so do the police, the letter-carriers, and firemen. If the Klan's officers bear ridiculous names, so do the officers of the Lambs' Club. If the Klan uses the mails for shaking down suckers, so does the Red Cross. If the Klan constitutes itself a censor of private morals, so does the Congress of the United States. If the Klan lynches a Moor for raping someone's daughter, so would you or I."

Fuck you, WW.

That's why Johnson threw out pardons like there was no tomorrow? Basically the only person who wasn't pardoned was Davis.

Grant intervened with military action because preventing people (blacks) from voting was a federal crime.

And who were intimidating voters? The KKK.

It will offend some members of the various Klan organizations and it will offend some anti-Klan people. But what I put here are the documented facts. I will list my sources so that skeptics can research this information themselves. The simple truth is that no American organization has had its true history so distorted and misrepresented as the Ku Klux Klan. What is taught in schools today about the KKK is largely myth. What modern day Klan groups present as Klan history is largely myth. What is presented as Klan history today by anti-Klan groups is largely myth. After over twenty years of extensive research I stand by my findings regardless of who it offends or who doesn't believe it. Facts are facts. One of the greatest crimes that can be committed against future generations is to re-write history for the sake of modern present day political or social attitudes. Future generations as well as the present generation have a right to know the truth about their nation's history.

We have recently made a new historical find concerning Negroes in the KKK that you will find surprising. It appears that in some cases Whites and Blacks belonged to the same local chapters of the Ku Klux Klan. Our source of information is from the book: Hard Times by Studs Terkel (1970, New York). The book is about the conditions in this country during the Great Depression. On page 239 we read:

"The Ku Klux was formed on behalf of people that wanted a decent living, both black and white. Half the coal camp was colored. It wasn't anti-colored. The black people had the same responsibilities as the white. Their lawn was just as green as the white man's. They got the same rate of pay. There was two colored who belonged to it. I remember those two coming around my father and asking questions about it. They joined. The pastor of our community church was a colored man. He was Ku Klux. It was the only protection the working man had. ....... One time a Negro slapped a white boy. They didn't give him any warning. They whipped him and ran him out of town. If a white man slapped a colored kid, they'd have dome the same thing. They didn't go in for beating up Negroes because they were Negroes. What they did was keep the community decent to live in. What they did object to was obscenity and drinking."

Remember, we're talking about the old Knights. A few 1960's Klan branches gave the Klan a bad image overall. (which is probably why there are so many lies concerning the Classic Klan these days)