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Spam (split thread)
The current setup is just fine, at least it would be if it were used correctly. People spam up Gen Con all of the time even though spam belongs in the chat forum, it's just how things are, and they aren't all new members either. Instead of enforcing the rules like they should, the mods just move spammed up Gen Con threads to the chat forum, even if it is a great conversational thread, if a bunch of people start spamming it up it gets landed in the chat forum.
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I agree with you. People need to fucking grow up. Titusfied, mantra, act your age.
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So I logged onto a friends comp to get him the website for a .09 hack and didn't log in, well K_A we do have a forum, you can't veiw d2hacks/bots unless logged in. SDo chrooozer/ww is already a head of you ^_^
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I had to read your post twice to understand it, and even then I don't see how it has any relevance to this thread. I'm aware that you have to be logged in to see the D2 hacks and bots forum.
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I'm not talking about threads that have a couple of spam posts in them, I'm talking about threads that are RUINED by spam, one person starts it and it keeps going until the thread is completely off topic.
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http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38396
There's a good example of what I'm talking about. Also you might want to read the stickied RULES of Gen Con. http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27946 Quote:
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Well ...as true as that may be ...Chuck Norris jokes are funny right now ...it'll go away soon enough then you can have your thread back :o
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I agree Chuck Norris jokes are indeed funny, I enjoy them myself, but they don't belong in that thread. Those posts should be split out into a new thread for Chuck Norris jokes or something. The thread is NOT about Chuck Norris jokes.
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Let them enjoy themselves in the chat forum, that's where it belongs. General Conversation is for serious discussion, not for Chuck Norris jokes.
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Fair enough. I'd still have to disagree with the idea of a senior members forum :P. Don't know how much incentive that would give ...most people would just go somewhere where they could access all the content without the hassle :P. |
Complaints (split thread)
The lines between the chat forum and general conversation are very blurred right now, methinks. If you care that much I will crack down on it a bit. However, some threads just go through natural conversation changes, it's called transition. It's hard to pick what goes and what is relevant... because in a way it's all relevant. Unless it's just random blabbing, in which case it goes.
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You're a Mod. You're supposed to enforce the rules all the time, not only if someone asks.
To be brutally honest, you're helping to blur the line between the two, not sharpening it up like Mods are supposed to. |
See my edit.
Also, it also ties into my philosophy that we are NOT active enough of a board for anyone to really crack the whip. [Hence why WW removed all the mods.] We do not have 500+ members on at a time that requires much rule enforcing. As long as it brings some activity without being outlandishly retarded (think zagggon) I think it's fair to leave it. I'll be looking a little more closely at that, but I still think my reasoning is just. |
Still, people are complaining that the Gen Con has become another Chat Forum. If the mods were enforcing those rules anyway, instead of doing so only after being asked then people wouldn't be complaining.
And can I ask, what was the point behind changing every single "labtop" in Ganga's thread to "laptop"? Fair enough if Ganga asked you to edit his post and title, but to edit the whole thread? |
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Who is complaining, exactly? I haven't really seen anyone complain except KA, and he complains about everything.
It was my way of warning them to stop spamming about "labs." |
Read through threads and posts recently, and people are starting to say that Gen Con and the Chat Forum are becoming too much alike.
And would it not have been easier just to tell everyone to stop posting about "labtops"? Not everyone is on the same wavelength as you. There's probably no-one else here who knew off the top of their head that you changed everything as a warning. Reading through the thread, only a few people were not talking about the specs of the laptop. I'm not naming names, but you can find out eaily who they are. I wasn't for one, I just replied to a post explaining how Freshamn call laptops "labtops". The conversation carried on fine. And then there are threads that have gone off the rails, yet they are still going with no editting. |
'Tis the natural evolution of conversation in an "inappropriate" place ...but you cannot stop nature Lenny! NO ONE CAN!
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I'm not sure what you're talking about now.
If you have a problem with how I moderate the forums than you're better off bringing it up with Sov, since he is more of a war hawk than I am. I believe in a certain amount of freedom of the forums. If a gen con thread goes off topic I will most likely move it to chat, since removing 15 posts of a 25 post thread isn't a very efficient solution. I just don't see why it's a big problem, because these forums aren't that active. You don't need that much intervention. Sov and I do move and split a considerable amount of stuff that is going over the line. But most of it is still within acceptable bounds in that it's just people talking. That's what a forum is for. This is a small community, and I've been a part of it for a long time. It's always been more active and generally amusing when there are fewer restrictions placed on it. |
Fewer restrictions are good, yes, but when it means that two forums for completely different things end up being the same, why have them?
I remember when i first joined there was a big difference between the two forums, but now there isn't. The two just need to be kept separate. Spam in Chat, Serious in Gen Con. Half of the things you mods get rid I don't see 'cos I'm asleep when the most activity takes place. It must be hard to get rid of everything, which is why the odd little thing slips through. I'm not complaining about that. |
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No, there's a difference between outright spamming and the focus changing. There is not much spamming occuring, and most of what is just simply spam is removed. What happens is that the focus of discussion is changed through a natural transition. It's the same way conversations happen between people. Have you ever told your girlfriend to stay on topic?
If people are just spamming to be assholes then those posts will be removed. But if the majority of posts are just on a related topic, then removing that majority of posts is ridiculous because that IS the discussion. |
Why don't you read the rules of the Gen Con forum for yourself? I already posted them once but here they are again just for you.
http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27946 Rule 2 is the one getting ignored, and it's the one that makes Gen Con how it's supposed to be. I don't care if people spam or post off topic, they should just do it in the chat forum. |
2) Try to keep the context of your post on topic to the thread title. If the thread is about "Outlawing makeup" (just a stupid example), the posts must reflect the posters opinions and views on what is said about outlawing makeup.
Alright, and? You cited the example of the David Duchovney thread. It turned into discussion about Chuck Norris jokes. Are you going to tell me that is really not in any way related to the topic? The original topic was just a passing remark about an actor being a badass. The Chuck Norris internet running gag ties into this. He is an actor who people think is a badass. |
Maybe a passing remark about CHuck Norris being a badass would have been fine, maybe two, but a whole thread being turned over for Chcuk Norris jokes is kinda going against those rules.
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You are stretching the rule way too far. You know that Chuck Norris jokes have nothing to do with David Duchovney.
I also find it funny that when I was the one who posted a Chuck Norris joke(right after the first one in the thread), you decided to remove my post but leave the other one there, and then when I made a post about my post being gone, you removed that one as well. Is selective enforcement of the rules allowed now? |
Yes, that is an extreme example. But do you see my point? I didn't think the topic should have been in gen con to begin with but I let it stay to see what would happen.
I'm not sure what you're talking about, KA. I didn't remove any chuck norris post of yours. Did you fail to post it? |
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There's no deleted message thing there, and it's not in the trashcan.
By the way, keeping things "strictly" on topic in gen con I've just split about 30 posts. D3V's holidays thread went from 26 posts to 6. |
I made 2 posts in the thread, and both of them were mysteriously removed. I saw them posted with my own eyes and then later they were gone. Don't bother yourself with that though, I'll figure it out.
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I moved "my post was removed" to the trashcan because I had no idea what you were talking about. As for the first one, I have no idea. But you're getting off-topic, slick.
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The do your duty and split the thread, bud.
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If I was to really do that then I'd have to create a whole new thread because what you guys are discussing now is unrelated to your first post, champ. And therein you see the dilemma.
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Splitting the thread DOES create a new thread if I remember correctly. You get to give it a new name if you want and everything.
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Which seems completely unnecessary in this case.
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As a mod it is your responsibilty to do these things when things go off topic. In this case, the thread started off about a nice little idea to keep new members, and has evolved into an argument between you a mainly !K_A!. Surely it is off topic enough now? If so, it should be split away from the main topic and maybe into Gen Con, or kept in Forum Discussion (as it is, in a way, discussing the Forums as a whole). If this, to you, seems "completely unnecessary in this case" then you are not doing your job properly, to put it bluntly. |
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