Abortion: for or against
 

For or against abortion, and why?

I put my vote as "against", though that doesn't really represent my stance on the situation.

I guess what I would call it is "situationally for" abortion. I believe abortion should only be an option if a girl is pregnant due to rape or incest, or if having the baby would endanger her own life.

Methinks I'm kinda like !K_A! on this one.

Yes, I'm against it... but in situations where the mother may be in danger if the birth goes ahead, or she's been raped, then it's an option that should at least be considered.

I am for it in all reasonable circumstances. If a girl does not want a baby, or cannot reasonably support one, she should be able to make that decision. The dad should have some say in it too, however.

Now if she's having abortions multiple times a year, there is a problem...

If the girl does not want a baby, she should not have gotten pregnant.

If she can't reasonably support a baby, there's always adoption.

"I don't want it" or "I can't support it" are not good enough reasons for preventing a life.

EDIT: Although I do agree with you about the father having a say in it. If abortion were going to be completely legal under all circumstances, then the father should have some say. What I mean by that though is:

Situation A
Mother wants an abortion, father does not. Father should get some say in this situation.

Situation B
Mother doesn't want an abortion, father does. Father should not get any say in this situation.

I'm really tired of the debate, so I often tell people I have no opinion. But I'm for circumstantial abortion as has been mentioned in here and against doing it just because they don't want the child.

I largely agree with KA on this one. I am against abortion in the sense that its basically people not taking responsibility for their actions. If you consent to a sexual relationship, you know damn well what the results will eventually be. Only cases where it can be seen as being reasonable are things such as rape, incest or where it will harm the mother.

A lifetime of being a single father/mom or stuck with a child that is unwanted is not a fair "punishment" for a single moment of stupid sex.

A child should not be a sentence for the crime of having sex.

Plus, the world has enough people as it is. If the abortion is done early enough, it is justifed in my eyes.

I agree with KA on this one.

That's why they made condoms.

If it really is too much to handle, then you put the child up for adoption.

A baby isn't punishment at all. I didn't want kids yet, but my daughter is amazing.

I'm obviously against abortion...well for me. I think that a woman should have the right to have an abortion, but i think that along with the procedure they should also have their tubes tied. If you can have an abortion you probably shouldn't have kids period. I'm very supportive of adoption so if you can't handle being a parent give the baby up for adoption. Kaneda was very back and fourth with the issue throughout my pregnancy. Not the abortion part, after he decided that's what he wanted, that's what he wanted....but that's the one thing i can say my mom did right...never aborted any of us. Yea, she has like 7 kids, but they all have good homes now and are very good people. So I honostly couldn't do it. Even when i thought i wanted to, its something i was raised against. But i do see how some women can, but i think they should be fixed then. I dont think you should be able to put having a kid on hold if your pregnant. if you don't want them, dont get pregnant, get fixed.

You're Catholic, aren't you? Or at least come from a Catholic family.

I'm Catholic, and am told that it's wrong in ANY form, but the ONLY reason I myself would see it as the right choice would be if the mother would have to die for the child. Then it's her choice wether or not to die for her child or keep living.

The baby doesn't just suddenly pop out - there are 9 months of pregnancy involved.

During that time, the woman can be removed from school or unable to work... ridiculed or any number of things.

What if it was a genuine mistake? Say a condom broke during sex. Is that really the fault of the man or woman? Obviously if they were using a condom they did not want to get pregnant, so if it happens in an accident they should be forced to bear the child anyway?

I'm not catholic, but i was until i was about 10 or 11. Yes, there are nine months of pregnancy...i went through all of them, and worked until her due date, two days before she was born. And i was only 17 when i got pgt, the looks i got were not the best, especially when i was w/kaneda. I am a believer in that everything happens for a reason.

It was just a couple that I didn't know asking me for my advice, I'd tell them I don't care. If I ever had a gf/wife get pregnant and she wanted an abortion, I'd be against it, but only because I want to have a child one day. No moral reason behind it.

Perhaps 9 months of pregnancy and the pain from giving birth will prevent them from getting pregnant again. I do agree that a lifetime of having a kid you don't want is not something that should be a punishment for a moment of stupidity, and that is why there are adoption centers. 9 months of pregnancy on the other hand that can temporarily make their life suck is not so bad that it justifies preventing a life. There are plenty of couples in this country (be it gays, or just a couple that can't have babies) that would gladly take the baby.

And the reason that "the world is full" is just a bullshit reason that shows you don't actually have any good ones. What if our government started killing 1.2 million people every year, I bet you wouldn't be so supportive of that.

There were over 1.2 million abortions in 1996. The abortion rates have dropped somewhat since then, but so have both birth and pregnancy rates.

Which is why you don't just rely on a condom. You use other contraceptives as well.

Sometimes it's just not an option. Crazy parents, for instance.

Then, to be honest, that's their problem.

In a country where sexual education is taught, and there are family planning clinics here, there, and everywhere, they should know what they're doing.

Abstinance is always an option, unless they are raped.

Next.

You guys surprise me by being so conservative on this issue while being so liberal with others...

I'm gonna have to say in support of especially in the case of rape. I really don't see the need to bring an unwanted baby into the world to single parents. I think it should be the couple's decision, but if the mother decides to have the kid against the father's will then she forfeits child support. The same doesn't apply that the father can have the kid against the mother's will because obviously that's her body and nine months of her life. Things should be decided as couple. I think there was a really long thread about this topic already... so look it up if you're feeling curious.

If the condom breaks, and you wind up with a child, sue.

i'm for abortion; theres too much traffic on the way to school as it is

I am actually for abortion, every women should be able to make her own decision. Outside of the couple, I don't think anyone should be able to tell them what to do, or limit their choices.

Pro-choice.

If the person has been raped, or what not mother is in danger or the kid will have some kind of like aids or crack dependancey, or the parents cant afford and the kid will starve, im all for

otherwise, i dont care... i wont say im against just say its not my choice

adoption

I think what most people worry about is, "Is it a human and can we kill it?"

My opinion is that it is living, but not human. Pretty much all embryos look alike...gills, tail, w/e When the ebryo grows, the features dissapear or shrink. So I think it's kinda like a basic animal. We kill cows, so why not basic animals?

Any time you masturbate, use contraceptives, don't have a baby when you're on your period, etc. you're stopping a potential human life from being formed. Do we feel guilty for that? No. It's just some nasty shit that we wash off =P. It really depends on your definition of when a zygote, cells, or fetus is a baby. At some point in time there's a state of being nasty shit and at another point it's a human. Everyone's definition varies (or point where it's nasty shit/human) so that's why it should be pro-choice. Partial birth abortions should be banned though imo. It's definitely murder.

I think it depends on the situation.

If a person is raped, and does not take the pill, they should be allowed to have an abortion. I also think that the world is getting over populated.

On the other hand, it is basically murder, and if you aren't ready for a baby, you shouldn't be having sex anyway.

I'm so sick of that adoption bullshit. Thats hardly a solution to childcare. You think every kid put up for adoption gets some great family where they're not being rapped or beaten? Or every kid even gets a family period? Nope.
"Adoption of children in foster care, is on the rise. About 130,000 of the 540,000 children in foster care nationwide are waiting to be adopted. About 50,000 a year actually get adopted, says Carol Emig of the Pew Commission on Children in Foster Care."

Willkill is back!

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If you don't like adoption then stop making babies and not taking care of them k.

el oh el, KA, your post always make me laugh.

i was rapped by a black man and beaten by an olympic runner (also black)

Who wants to adopt? You're gonna get a kid who is (most likely) genetically predetermined to fail. Harsh yet true.

Based on the content of my posts throughout my history at Zelaron, surely many people know that my political views lie mainly on the left. In my “My Objection to Religion” post, I stated that in general only the religious right opposes abortion. You might find it surprising, then, to see me vote against abortion, since my posts clearly demonstrate that I am an atheist, perhaps even an anti-theist. I would like to clarify why I voted against abortion.

Christians tend to believe that life begins at conception because at the moment of fertilization God gives the zygote a “soul,” for the lack of a better word. Putting aside my contempt for supernatural beliefs, those who truly believe in the Bible are entirely justified in their opposition to abortion. For instance, the following passage from the Bible shows that God values the embryo:

God commands that people punish anyone who causes a miscarriage.

Though I have reached the same conclusion as Christians in this particular case, it is not because I believe in a soul. On the contrary, it is because I don’t believe in a soul. Though I have come to a right-winged conclusion, it is because of rather secular beliefs.

As to my knowledge, a human being’s genetic makeup is conclusively formed at conception. Short of outside influences or a natural disaster that zygote will inexorably become a fully developed, living, breathing, cognizant human being. Ending this embryo ends the life which will inevitably follow, akin to murder in my book. I have no moral objection to abortion when the baby is a potent threat to the mother’s life or well-being, as there is a great risk of losing a life either way.

You can not, however, apply this same logic to masturbation as many pro-choice people like to assert. A human can not form from a sperm cell alone. Even during sexual intercourse it is highly improbable that any particular sperm cell will fertilize an egg. The difference between a zygote and a sperm cell is that the zygote will become a human whereas the sperm cell will not with the exception of a highly improbable scenario.

That said, I realize the benefits of abortions. Sex is a natural part of human activity and should be enjoyed. The threat of impregnation will always exist despite the increasing efficacy of contraceptives. It is not fair that what is otherwise a relatively innocuous expression of love between a couple could become the biggest mistake of their life. Abortion seems to be the only valid solution. If I were to impregnate a girl before I am ready for a child, I would seriously hope that she and I could sit down and talk about it and consider her having an abortion. I acknowledge that this may make me seem somewhat capricious; however, you may consider something immoral yet see and harness its practicality.

However I digress. The practicality of abortions is not what I wanted to discuss. I only wanted your opinions on whether abortions are moral or immoral.

Am I for a woman’s right to choose? Yes, when it does not impede on a greater right. I consider the right to life to supersede a woman’s right to choose. It is somewhat saddening to see how little worth we hold on human life. It is even more saddening that I am beginning to open up to this view.

That was pretty fucking deep. Go MJ.

there's also a chance the fetus will die in the womb, or grow up to kill someone, or worse yet, be a retarded mediocre dumbass right smack in the middle of the bell curve like 70% of everyone else. do i really need another spiteful scumbag overworked lowlife mediocre daytime retail manager cutting me off in his dark blue honda civic with his tinted windows while playing "Riding Dirty" as loud as he can through his shitty Best Buy speakers? do i really need another pill-guzzling white trash spewing arrogant soccer mom with a degree in "liberal arts" counting her change at publix while i sit there with a cold gallon of milk freezing my hand off while glancing over at the entertainment magazines and seeing the shit sacking exploiters of democracy getting rich off their ivory tower socialite talent?


no, so better to kill them early