Which superpower is going to nuke us?
 

I'm serious, which one is going to? I'm sure the entire world is fed up with Bush's bullshit. If you live in Texas and are within 50 miles of where Bush lives, GET THE FUCK OUT! That will probably be the number one target after his presidency is over, assuming he doesn't get assassinated before then.

I don't think anyone who would really has the capabilities right now. North Korea would probably gladly nuke us if they could, but they can't even get to us.

If someone nukes us, it doesn't really matter where you live. Everybody dies.

What mj said.

It aint too much changed here today, seems like its never gon' get better
Wonder if ill ever get to live in peace
These days of our lives, they keep on gettin shorter every time
Then I realize, that it won't be too long before,
We wake up and the world is gone,
And it won't mean no World War, it'll be Armageddon for sure

I highly doubt it will be a super power that nukes us. It will be a smaller radical country that gets their hands on a nuke and manages to detonate it on American soil. I highly doubt China/Russia/ European nations are dumb enough to nuke us.

I'm thinking that Libya actually has demolition trucks (like in CnC Red Alert:2), and they will drive them throughout Europe, turning them into a smoking crater. Too bad they don't know how to make planes yet. :P

Nah, they'd nuke Japan before they'd nuke us.

Yeah more than likely. I'm guessing we're going to have an internal war, somebody that is "American" is going to do something like this.

No one will nuke us. Trust me, no one is that stupid. We aren't even that stupid to use that type of force. MJ is right on the money.

Agreed. I think if anyone were to start nuking it would be NK, but they are dumb enough to try that.

As far as I know, I don't think they have the technology capabilities to even nuke Hawaii. My dad used to work in the pentagon, and said that North Korea is still pretty behind on that technology.

The problem is, the people desperately trying to get their hands on nukes right now are the same people who would welcome the end of the world.

What is our method of reprisal for a nuclear detonation on U.S. soil against an extremist multinational organization?

Light taunting

Realistically, or what would our current leadership do in retaliation?

I imagine there'd be a couple of months of saying how terrible the act was, how it was an atrocious act against not only those who died, but America herself, how that the people who carried out the attack needed to be crushed now before it could happen again... and then you'd invade five or six countries with small ties to said organisation . However, you'd not go it alone. Britain would tag along like the fucking lapdog Blair made us, whilst the rest of Europe would follow Russia and France as they veto their way out of conflict causing the UN to refuse to sanction the war, making it illegal... which wouldn't mean anything or stop anyone.

At least, that's what I think your current administration might do.

Really? My guess is we'd nuke the shit out of four or five countries.

Nuke four or five countries and you've got the rest of the world against you.

There are already places like N. Korea, China, Iran that are supposedly developing their own nuclear weapons. Then you've got the terrorists who'd be able to either acquire their own nuclear weapon, or do something with the nuclear plants/nuclear waste around the world. Either they bomb the nuclear plants and cause untold choas, or they acquire some of the nuclear waste and make a dirty bomb with it - set off a sizeable dirty bomb in the middle of an American city (or anyone allied with America) and you've not only killed however many hundreds of people with the initial blast, but there's also the fact that the blast will have acted like a giant sneeze and sent out a giant wave of radioactive material for quite a distance, effectively harming the majority of people within the blast radius, a bit further out, too, and shutting down an American city. Imagine if they did it in New York. The damage would be catastrophical!

As for other countries who might be clever enough to not use nukes - France, Germany, Italy, Russia, other European countries. Between them they can effectively control the UN. Look at what happened years ago when Bush decided to go to war in Iraq. The support for America was almost non-existent.

Add to the fact that there's a second Cold War quietly brewing (Russia planted a flag on the oil-rich sea-bed under the North Pole a few days ago, and are now claiming the territory as their own)... well, America has got to tread very carefully. Nukes would not only make the terrorists fight fire with fire, but the rest of the world would not exactly attack America, but they can cut you off.

Nukes, then, are out of the question, I think.

I can't argue with you. All of your points are valid, Lenny. But I don't think you understand the extent of American chauvinism.

I don't understand the majority of lots of things, to be honest. :p

What I posted above is just complete speculation and, in most points, worst case scenario.

T'would make a brilliant plot for some kind of political thriller film, wouldn't it? :D

Go read The Sum Of All Fears by Tom Clancy

Buggerage. And I thought I was on to something unique and new. :(

The only reason the U.S.A doesn't want other people with nukes is because then the U.S can't threaten people with them. I mean we all saw the wars American fought and Americans seem to have a high death rate in war. Especially the Korean War good god China kicked American ass with a fucking spoon and thats exactly what the U.S fears, having to fight a conventional war with men and women against a country that actually has SOLDIERS. A soldier would shoot a hostage to kill his enemy, a soldier would shoot a traitor without hesitation, a soldier doesn't PLAY WITH LITTLE NATIVE KIDS BY TAKING HIS ARMOR OFF AND PUTTING IT ON THEM, and a soldier does not care about their enemies in any way and do not fight for their country they fight to survive and they kill for money. This American bullshit you call a war is a joke and any other country would have been done YEARS ago. Why? Because they have SOLDIERS! Not men and women. HUGE difference.

Lenny you should know what being a soldier entails if you british actually have good history classes. A soldier is the modern knight and knights were just as ruthless.

If I remember right Knights had their own code of honor. I wouldn't consider them ruthless. Then again, that could just be a load of shit.

Depends which period said knights were from. Sure, they were all ruthless when it came to it, but some periods more than others.

Take the Crusades - can't remember which crusade it was, but a group of Knights (English, European) completely massacred a town of thousands of men, women and children. Absolute bloodbath.

William of Normandy's Knights razed the North of England on William's order because or something or other... slips my mind what it was. That was bad for the economy, big style.

Oliver 'Ironsides' Cromwell and his army (whilst not Knights in the strictest sense, they were close enough. Early muskets, aye, but the footsoldiers also had swords and pikes, and the cavalry had swords) decimated the Irish during their rebellions. Another massacre.

When most people think of Knights, I'll bet your bottom dollar that they think of Knights such as those of King Arthur. Tudor Knights, Stuart Knights. High on Chivalry. Jousting tournaments, Lady's favours (that is, silk scarves and what not), Quests to Finde Ye Olde Objecte. The Knights of Fairy Tales.

Real soldiers are Cossacks.

The Knight was a representative of their Lord, they were only as ruthless as their Lord allowed or they would be outcast, basically a free target for all.

I don't think anyone is going to nuke us. If anyone does, it will be North Korea, and they'd have to be pretty dumb to trade their bargaining chip for a crater the size of Rhode Island. That being said, I think China has something up their sleeve. It would not be a physical attack obviously.

I'd like to see the Chinese death counts from the Korean war. Before the Chinese intervened we beat the Koreans all the way to the Chinese border. After that we were pushed back into a stalemate. Imo we should have cleaned out China while we had a chance. Too bad the Russians wouldn't allow it.

Yeah, taking on the 2 biggest nations in the world during the Cold War would've been a good way to get a lot of people nuked by both sides.

The Chinese lost 100,000 while we lost a shitload of tanks planes oil and general supplies as well as 80,000 men. Of course the Chinese only lost those men at the last leg of the war because they ran through mine fields at the end and apparently whoever was in charge at that point had enough brains to fight like a spider monkey and use traps. So all in all we lost about 8 billion and the chinese lost....what? twenty bucks a BB gun? times that by 100k. It's about the net loss not the individual battle. The fact that we lost so much more monetarily and that our society believes people who go to war and people who lose loved ones in war are supposed to become mental made us the losers of that one. Some 200,000 families traumatized and the time it took for the Chinese to kick our asses boosted their morale and crushed ours. FYI Russia did not stop shit from happening to China to avoid war between China and the US they stopped it because they knew the Chinese would use that as an excuse to attack Russia and other surrounding countries. My father was there when the Chinese lined up on the Russian border and intimidated the Russians into de-mobilizing the border army.

Beileve me when I say even the US fears China because it's true. The proof is that the US is trying to put bases surrounding China in Asia right now.