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Demosthenes 2008-02-20 08:12 PM

You say you want an evolution
 
The ape was a great big hit

Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 08:15 PM

And I'm tired of people claiming they've seen bigfoot, an animal that big would leave huge piles of poop, it would be found. Maybe I should mention I believe in evolution.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 08:15 PM

Dude, there's lots of evidence for bigfoot...

Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 08:17 PM

I know I know, but poop bro, there must be mountains of poop....

slaynish 2008-02-20 08:17 PM

I'm not sure what to believe in I lean more toward Evolution though. A friend of mine recently tried to argue with me that Evolution is B.S. All he said was "Its impossible that we came from a monkey." then told me that the only evolutions we have had over the past 300 years is that we've gotten taller/not as hairy. Then I asked him to compare us to an ape.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 08:18 PM

I can haz scr33nsh0tz

http://warisboring.com/wp-content/up...08/bigfoot.jpg

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by slaynish
"Its impossible that we came from a monkey."

In all seriousness, I agree. It is impossible that we came from a monkey.

slaynish 2008-02-20 08:19 PM

According to south park we came from retarded-fish-frogs.

Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 08:19 PM

I know, and it's arms are too long and a human can't walk like that. I am not ruling it's existance out, just remaining entirely skeptical untill I see poop

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 08:20 PM

We have a common ancestor with monkeys . . .

We did not come from monkeys.

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenachrome
I know, and it's arms are too long and a human can't walk like that. I am not ruling it's existance out, just remaining entirely skeptical untill I see poop

I can haz screenshotz!

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/poop1.jpg

Adrenachrome 2008-02-20 08:22 PM

Bigfoot poop for sure? Picture doesn't really prove it for me, link to source?

Demosthenes 2008-02-20 08:23 PM

D00D real science journal!

HandOfHeaven 2008-02-20 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd

ZOMG IT'S A NIGGER!

D3V 2008-02-21 06:43 AM

I wrote up quite the article back in my little prejudice days, though, it was more of a shot at being funny and failed miserably..

Anybody that doesn't believe in Evolution is just ignorant. Though, I choose to still remain religious, I just am unsure of the complexity that really coexists between the two.

Demosthenes 2008-02-21 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by D3V
Anybody that doesn't believe in Evolution is just ignorant. Though, I choose to still remain religious, I just am unsure of the complexity that really coexists between the two.

There's no real conflict (I assume you meant conflict) unless you choose to take the Bible literally. Unfortunately, that's what so many do.

Adrenachrome 2008-02-21 03:40 PM

There is nothing wrong with believing God created life on this planet.
Just not as it is today.

Grav 2008-02-21 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenachrome
There is nothing wrong with believing God created life on this planet.

Sure there is. It's not true.

Adrenachrome 2008-02-21 08:17 PM

You cannot say that you KNOW god didn't create the first life on this planet billions of years ago. I do not believe in god nor creationism. I do not believe in spirits or souls. But I'm saying if a religious person wanted to speculate that his supreme entity created life on earth he can. THey just need to recognize that life was not created as it is today, it evolved.

And you are a fool.

Grav 2008-02-21 08:36 PM

There is no evidence to support the existence of a god.

If something cannot be proven or disproven, it has no basis.

Atnas 2008-02-21 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
There's no real conflict (I assume you meant conflict) unless you choose to take the Bible literally. Unfortunately, that's what so many do.

You assumed he was Christian. Even though it was highly likely, you still assumed. :(

Unless you had prior knowledge. :)

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And on the topic of the Christian God creating life on this planet, why can't it have instead started it off with an act akin to the big bang? It would be more reasonable to assume that the deity which made everything only performed an initial act, as everything henceforth is scientifically guided. Unless the deity guides science because and the deity is science.

God = Evolution :
Evolution = God : Reflexive property of Equality. :p

Supposing Christianity is 100% correct. (any error would lead to complete fallacy)

Oh God, what have I done? :rolleyes:

slaynish 2008-02-21 09:41 PM

Or we can just say that god made evolution to make people more faithful and have more skeptics to be able to sort out the real believers with the fakes.

Or we could say that the sun is the god.

Or we could say that I'm a billionaire.

Or we could say bullshit to almost everything 'real' around us.

D3V 2008-02-22 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grаν¡tоnЅurgе
There is no evidence to support the existence of a god.

If something cannot be proven or disproven, it has no basis.



There is no evidence that our Universe was ever even created. We aren't that far advanced to where we can actually judge how our own exitence even works, let alone determining if God really does exist or not.

I do honestly believe that God does have to exist, because matter can't just come from nowhere. Think about it, Where did our universe come from? It didn't just appear, where did other possible parallel universe originate from? Who knows, we will never, probably ever know. We do know that the Big Bang theory caused the formation of the planets, but what was before that? We don't know, which is why I boil it down to on a scientific level that something outside of our control, out of our existance of time had to have done this.

Atnas 2008-02-22 08:40 AM

Everything could have always existed. It needs not be created. Think about that.

D3V 2008-02-22 08:48 AM

That's another way to look at it, and that's what most people say about God. That's he's always existed, which would play into the argument that our lives are on a completely different timeline, actaully we do have a timeline and god as well as existence has always been around, but that's another thing.

Too much thinking to try and scramble up, all done.

Demosthenes 2008-02-22 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3V
I do honestly believe that God does have to exist, because matter can't just come from nowhere.

Search quantum fluctuations. The quantity mass-energy can't come from nowhere, and it is very possible that the total mass-energy in the universe is 0 including the negative energies of things such as gravity.

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We do know that the Big Bang theory caused the formation of the planets, but what was before that?
Time is a property of our universe. It is nonsensical to speak of "before that."

D3V 2008-02-22 09:54 AM

Ah, thanks for the lookup, i'm going to print out some notes and read them later on tonight.



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Time is a property of our universe. It is nonsensical to speak of "before that.
What about other Universes, possible parallel universes, what I'm saying is couldn't God still be there somewhere, just not in our timeframe that we operate in?

Grav 2008-02-23 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3V
I do honestly believe that God does have to exist, because matter can't just come from nowhere. Think about it, Where did our universe come from? It didn't just appear, where did other possible parallel universe originate from? Who knows, we will never, probably ever know. We do know that the Big Bang theory caused the formation of the planets, but what was before that? We don't know, which is why I boil it down to on a scientific level that something outside of our control, out of our existance of time had to have done this.

If you limit your thinking to the bias' that humans have created due to our own limited ability to perceive, then of course it will seem impossible.

1) Since you need to ask "what about before?", then I ask how did god come into existence to create the universe or whatever?

2) Big Bang theory is just that... a theory. We don't know it for sure.

Demosthenes 2008-02-23 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grаν¡tоnЅurgе
2) Big Bang theory is just that... a theory. We don't know it for sure.

Oh. My. God. I did not just hear that from you of all people.

Grav 2008-02-23 01:55 PM

Huh? We don't know "for sure," do we? As far as I know it fits our current understanding, but I'm sure there are still great discoveries to be made in the field of Physics that would lead to an even better (or maybe completely different) model/theory.

Demosthenes 2008-02-23 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grаν¡tоnЅurgе
Huh? We don't know "for sure," do we? As far as I know it fits our current understanding, but I'm sure there are still great discoveries to be made in the field of Physics that would lead to an even better (or maybe completely different) model/theory.

We're sure enough about the big bang that whatever we find is far more likely to alter the details of the theory in some way rather than replacing it. It's like the theory of evolution. New fossils cause us to revise the details of the theory, but it's highly unlikely that anything we find is going to cause us to change the theory in its entirety. The Big Bang theory is supported by oodles of evidence, and has the overwhelming scientific consensus.

Grav 2008-02-23 04:04 PM

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...wutpearuw5.jpg

talentedhamster 2008-02-23 04:20 PM

nothing makes sense. no theroy does. some make MORE sense than others, but not one has all of the answers.


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