Real America Problem
 

what do you think is worst thing afflicting America right now?

1. Moral Issues

2. Economy debt

3. Outsourcing

4. War in Iraq

5. One sided politics *right wing cabinet*

I have to say outsourcing. You just have to expect number 5 will happen and with time things will change, maybe one day it will be more or less entirely left wing. The war is messed up but come on dudes, were going to be in pre-emptive wars that doesnt directly involve us I think till the end of time * ill be against it till the end of time :killgrin:

Moral issues, if anyone is dumb enough to look in moral issues general direction with whats going on with the united states well, fuck them.

But outsourcing. Well we will have outsourced 6 million high technical jobs to foreign countries by 2005. With the great works of Colin Powell visas have become even more lax. Drug firms are moving biotech industries to India. This alone will result in American losing 5 billion dollars in research and jobs * mainy Pfinzer Inc Fuck em* Bank sterns, computer tech jobs.
The worst part of this is that its no longer menial jobs that are being outsourced. High paying college required careers are being outsourced. So whats left, contract building and commercial enterprises? Aka road work and being the manager of Mcdonolds.
Just like the free trade agreement in China the same is happening for India. Politics helping ceo's to bring down the middle class so the select few can profit. The war on terror has effected the lives of 2000 families and over 1000 families in Iraq *if you can even count that as being remotely involved on the war on terror.* Economic slump in jobs will effect millions of Americans. They wont shed a tear because their brothers best friend died in Iraq. Their going to be shedding them because they cant pull ends meat on their house mortgage.


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Dude wars have been fought on Iraqi soil for 20k years+ I think it's silly that our (American) government thinks we will change them.

Outsorcing? You are joking right? In case you don't know, which by your post you don't, are economy is switching to where we have more service jobs and not as many manufacturing jobs. So this outsorcing is going to happen there is nothing we can do and its not a problem. People will just be getting more jobs in retail.

Alright dude, serice jobs are IE Menards, Wal mart, movie theaters, MCDONOLDS(lol). Thats what retail is. And it is a problem.
Lets just say for argument clothing line factory outsources to India. This pretend factory employs 2,000 people. They are all layed off and have to find work elsewhere. Lets say in that city maybe and im really stretching this, 1000 people find jobs that sprout out of no where. Are you saying that 1000 commercial jobs will open? That suddenly commercial bussiness's are like, DUDES, that city just lost some major working class, lets take this oppertunity to put some capitol there! If anything commercial jobs will LEAVE that city.
Now many other companies just to compete with pretend company will have to outsource as well. Its a dominoe effect. Lol, so that means that hundreds of CEO's across the nation will take advantage of this job less surge and will go, HOLY CRAP MAN ITS CHRISTMAS AND SANTA LIVES IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. Then they will move some more mickey d's and some J C Pennys into these slum cities and we will all prosper.
Dude if you think this nation can live off of commercial *retail* jobs then YOU dont know.

Pity, Pity, on the masses of ignorant people
Pity, Pity, on the masses of aggression
Pity, Pity, on the future centuries to come
Bad Religion

Turn on the tv and the news says
-America is doing okay
-ok for the doctors and lawyers
-city officials and our president
-someone forgot to take a survey
-of the real working men
-the ones on the unemployment line
-getting laid off in every state

Tomorrow Belongs To Us- The casualties

Lol I just had to post that one

Don't double post, there is an edit button.

I am not even going to fight about this with you. It would be a one sided fight, and I am not putting forth the effort.

I actually somewhat agree with Hobbes on the outsourcing issue. Is it a major problem? No, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed. I don't think that outsourcing right now is affecting the country too much. It's definitely not harming the common person, in fact it might even be a good thing since it makes things cheaper, but from a certain point of view, it could be a bad thing.

I want to be a programmer when I'm older. Now we all know that India is taking a lot of our programming jobs, and it's certainly reducing the salaries of our future programmers if things stay on the current path. It kind of scares me, but I don't consider it a huge problem. If I looked at it selfishly, then it's a problem, but I think overall it's not too bad, so I guess I kind of agree with both of you. Still, if things stay at the current pace, it's possible that it could become a problem, or so I believe.

If things continue at the current pace it will definatley be a problem. Many American jobs have become extinct due to outsourcing. Call your phone company... yep it's somebody in India on the other line. Also, India and other Asian countries are already leaders in technology and have been for sometime. So they are/will be taking programming jobs at an overwhelming rate. The problem is people in countries like India will not only take jobs involving computers but also nuclear engineering and other fields of science. This will definatley be good for them in the future and America being on the other end won't be in a good way.
The biggest problem in America is the economy in general. It seems that It'll continue to get worse until the end of 2005. Nothing's certain but I still have faith in the country.

Dude it is a problem NOW Mjordan. It is a growing issue but it is a major issue NOW. You have no idea how many losers at my school who want to be programmers just like you. So if you look at it selfishly yeah its a bad thing. But I would prefer someone trying to maintain a job and as most people do after their 30 to look at is selfisly. Because people have a little thing called a family with kids. ANd you say yeah looking at it selfishly. In my mind I think your implying their is a good arguement to this case. As someone america would bennifect if you wouldnt be so selfish.
YOU are america. You buy the goods that keep our economy running. Your the man attending baseball games and watching tv. Alll that costs money that YOU make to give to other people that have jobs that do the exact same thing.
And sheerx says the main probably is our economy in general. ANd the biggest problem to our economy in general is outsourcing, and the loss of jobs and the larger ammount of people of welfare and the backlash of that the lowering ammount that an umemployment check would have.
THe president may be wasting his billions in iraq and wasting billions America doesnt even have. But if our economy was bustling as he makes it out to be that would be a problem but it wouldnt be a catastrophe hes making it to be. More people would have jobs, more people would be paying taxes, and less taxes would be going to welfare

You are also not a moderator, and he was replying to two different posts.

Okay, you're obviously not getting the idea. Lets backtrack a little bit. This country is built on two things: democracy and capitalism, democracy (loosely speaking) being the idea behind our government, and capitalism being the idea behind out economy. Having a democracy normally means that everyone's voice is heard because everyone participates in our government. In our case it's a little different. Everyone's voice still can be heard. It is not a democracy in the strictest form, but if you're a citizen of the United States, your voice can be heard, as evinced by our many great leaders. All you have to do is put a little effort into it. Now, having capitalism means having a free-flowing economy, with little to no government interference. Obviously the government has meddled in our economy some, but for the most part, we're a capitalist society. As I've observed, Americans hold capitalism in quite high esteem vis-a-vis socialism, or communism.

Now, what you're talking about is further interference with that capitalism. Even if your concerns are correct, and America's economy is going down, such government intrustion into the economy could be calamitous. If the government is allowed such uncontrolled power, there's nothing to say it won't abuse that power, as even our government has many times throughout its history. That could quite possibly give the government the power to mold the economy as it sees fit, ergo making it socialist. Now, America was built on ideas. When you take away one of the two basic ideas that America was built on, it ceases to be America. It's just a shell of a country after that. Are you willing to give up America because outsourcing is such a big problem? No! We will stand by what we believe in, democracy and capitalism, and we will either flourish under them, or fall under them. We are a tenacious people. We will not succumb to anything!

Plus, what you're saying isn't even true. Look at our economy. It's not in shambles. In fact, it's slowly increasing. Look at our people. They're not in shambles. We are amongst the most flourishing nation in the world, with no signs of that changing in the near future. Then, how can you say that soutsourcing is a huge problem? I agree it has put a few people out of work, but this is America. If you look hard enough for a job, you will find it. I reiterate, there are no signs that outsourcing is a big problem in America other than the biased newspapers that you read, who's reporters are selfish, and would like to help no other country by the greatness of America. Some of that news is meant to entertain more than to bring you news.

And another thing, in the future, outsourcing will go down. That's usually a trend in the economy. Once enough Indians start getting enough programming jobs, they will demand a higher and higher salary for what they are doing, where eventually it won't be more beneficial to work overseas, but instead, come right back home. You show me some hard evidence that the marketplace has declined due to outsourcing, and I'll consider it as a problem. Otherwise, outsourcing just is. It's not terrible, it's not great, it's just there.

Alot of American Technical jobs are sent out. A while ago I called for some error that kept occuring with AOL, I called their little 1-800 # and this Middle-Eastern sounding man named "charles" answered the phone. I couldn't even talk with this guy, his accent or whatever was shitty as hell, I called back about 5 minutes afterwards and a Middle-eastern sounding woman answered named "Linda". I'm guessing they're paying these immigrants 2.50 an hour for an 8.00 an hour job, but what can you do?

well, what if you were the big business owner, i guarntee u would do the exact same thing, im not saying im agreeing with it im jus saying if u were them, u would do it, i know i would if it would save me millions of dollars

if GUARENTEE that if i were put in that postition id call it a day leave with my hundreds or maybe even millions of dollars and watch my company go bankrupt rather than seeing thousands of families lose their financial support

guarented

Yea, except the companies aren't losing money, they're gaining money, and are, in fact, making jobs for thousands of people overseas.

Oh, and try to write in a more legible manner next time. I had to guess at what the hell you were trying to say.

They're making jobs in other countries but here in the U.S., we're losing jobs. How does that benefit us?

Why is it always all about us? It's not like we're losing so many jobs that it's hitting our economy, and despite outsourcing, you'll find a job if you look hard enough. I don't see how it's a major problem.

The real problem in America is we are being treated like lab rats.

I would say that the real problem with America is outsourcing. However, it really isn't the biggest, most major problem, but it's what's hurting us a lot. We're sending jobs over to other countries for cheaper expenses and payment. The other problem with this is that people are complaining about this, but they're too damn lazy to actually do something to get the job they want. Not all of the people complaining about this are too lazy to get a job, but those people still exist. So, those who don't want to get the job they are complaining about losing, get off your lazy fat ass and actually do something other than complain.

I give up.

Is it you??