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Chruser 2008-06-18 03:19 PM

Goodbye, democracy
 
The Parliament of Sweden (Riksdag) passed Preposition 2006/07:63 a few minutes ago (143 YEA, 138 NAY, 67 ABSTAIN). Essentially, this means that government wiretapping of all electronic communication which "crosses the borders of Sweden" (which in practice means almost ALL electronic communication due to our common routing through nearby nations) has been legalized. To put it in other terms: None of our phone calls, e-mails, text messages or browsing habits are subject to privacy any longer.

Google has stated it will move its servers out of Sweden, and several of our phone and internet operators have already started to move out of this country. This is not just bad, it is catastrophic on an Orwellian scale. DDR was the last nation in Europe to have a law similar to, but not as bad as this one.

After I post this message, I will begin encryption of all of my electronic signals without exception. I will also leave Sweden as soon as possible, hopefully before it is too late to escape the Big Brother information society that was created tonight. I am not joking about this. Thank you.

Jamesadin 2008-06-18 03:30 PM

What was the motivating reason behind the passing of this bill? Terrorism?

Chruser 2008-06-18 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamesadin (Post 641472)
What was the motivating reason behind the passing of this bill? Terrorism?

Indeed, amongst related arguments which are meant as evident evocation of fear (e.g. bombings and organized crime). Members of the Swedish "liberal" parties currently in power have been extremely evasive about specific comments relating to these portrayed threats.

In fact, since the 2001 WTC bombings, terrorism has hardly been discussed at all here. The "aftermath" of the London and Spain bombings involved around a week of public debate before falling into oblivion.

Things just seem too hasty. I have no doubt whatsoever that there are other interests behind this than to protect our citizens from terrorism. Political pressures from the U.S. relating to The Pirate Bay is the first thing that comes to mind, but who knows what this will lead to?

Goodlookinguy 2008-06-18 03:47 PM

I just looked this up on The Pirate Bay.

Quote:

Today the frontpage is in Swedish again. We're sorry for that but it's important that also people outside of Sweden know what's going on. We hope to raise awareness by doing this.

There is a new law being voted for on the 17th of June here in Sweden. The law would give the government the right to listen to all telephone and internet traffic that crosses the borders outside of Sweden. In reality - it's basically all traffic in Sweden since we're a small nation and Internet is global.

We want to let you understand more and read up on what this means - and make your voice heard about this! This is a major threat against our civil rights and we must act. We must act now! Read more about this on the new webpage started for this! And do it now, after june 17th it's too late!
This is an exact quote. Apparently it's too late though.

Chruser, run away as soon as possible!

Dubby 2008-06-18 03:50 PM

Drr Drr Drr

You can live in my basement.

Aston 2008-06-18 03:53 PM

Well, this is just too stupid. I'm left speechless.

Milled 2008-06-18 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aston (Post 641478)
Well, this is just too stupid. I'm left speechless.


Speechless by the hands of the Swedish authority?

Is there any other information to support such a preposition? What silliness.

HandOfHeaven 2008-06-18 04:06 PM

Any ideas on which country you will emigrate to?

Chruser 2008-06-18 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milled (Post 641479)
Is there any other information to support such a preposition? What silliness.

None has been made public.


Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOfHeaven (Post 641480)
Any ideas on which country you will emigrate to?

Ideas for countries which offer 100/10 mbps connection with no bandwidth transfer caps for $50 or less per month are welcome.

Lenny 2008-06-18 04:34 PM

He could come to England - we're not monitored as much, after all. :rolleyes:

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Quote:

143 YEA, 138 NAY, 67 ABSTAIN
I can't see people letting this go without a fight. Is it possible for another vote to be called? Without the majority, the group that said "YEA" have to be careful with any more laws in relation to this one, no?

Chruser 2008-06-18 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milled (Post 641479)
Is there any other information to support such a preposition? What silliness.

None has been made public.


Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOfHeaven (Post 641480)
Any ideas on which country you will emigrate to?

Ideas for countries which offer 100/10 mbps connections with no bandwidth transfer caps for $50 or less per month are welcome.

Chruser 2008-06-18 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny (Post 641483)
I can't see people letting this go without a fight. Is it possible for another vote to be called? Without the majority, the group that said "YEA" have to be careful with any more laws in relation to this one, no?

I am confident the legislation will be combated in the European Court of Human Rights, but who knows how long that will take? The "Alliance" government currently in power has completely disregarded their voters and portrayed ideals, and who knows what they'll accomplish in the next few years until re-election?

Lenny 2008-06-18 04:42 PM

Oh, so it's not a single party, but rather a coalition govt.?

Chruser 2008-06-18 05:04 PM

Indeed. The current coalition government that rules Sweden has been in power since 2006.

krisvek 2008-06-18 07:51 PM

Let me know when you find a country that has freedom.

Seriously.

!King_Amazon! 2008-06-18 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny (Post 641483)
He could come to England - we're not monitored as much, after all. :rolleyes:

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I can't see people letting this go without a fight. Is it possible for another vote to be called? Without the majority, the group that said "YEA" have to be careful with any more laws in relation to this one, no?

England is well on it's way. Nanny state.

Vollstrecker 2008-06-18 09:03 PM

I'm kinda speechless, I figured Homeland Security would have passed this before Sweden.

Willkillforfood 2008-06-18 09:14 PM

How's South Korea? :D

Vault Dweller 2008-06-18 10:25 PM

Well, that's pretty fucked up. My condolences.

jamer123 2008-06-19 10:15 AM

america hasent got that butwere i live the internet is slow with ie but with firfox it is faster


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