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Posted 2005-08-09, 10:48 AM in reply to S2 AM's post starting "So what you're saying is you're not..."
S2 AM said:
Mjordan, it's not that it's not possible. A lot of things are possible. Magic is possible, Psychics are possible, it's possible that in 2 seconds a monkey will crawl out of pr0xy's ass, but it's also not very likely or logical. You sound like the philospher who can't make up his mind. If everything you've seen and heard has followed a scientific pattern all your life, why would you still think there is magic? Of course if I see some super miracle(and I don't mean natural things that people claim are miracles), like the apocalypse bible-style, then I'll obviously change my views, but I don't justify that 0.001% of that happening to me being agnostic.
No. Magic is not possible. The word magic itself insinuates fantasy. But there are most certainly events that have happend throughout the universe that human's can't explain, and perhaps never will explain, and I'm not talking about poltergiests or anything like that, I'm talking about the simple creation of the universe and everything in it. We take the universe for granted for the better part of our day; we never wonder about it. But if you think about it, science simply doesn't have a logical explanation for the creation of the universe, as for many other things. Sure, the big bang theory is the most likely, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonig to believe in that wholeheartedly. You have to be just as adamant to believe that as to believe the explanation for creation that any foolhardy religion gives you.

Physics is certainly possible. In fact, you can take physics word for word. Until you get to near-light speed, or at a quantum level. Then our whole basis for physics is shaken. Also, it is impossible for a monkey to come out of proxy's ass in two seconds, unless of course a monkey was recently shoved up proxy's ass, and proxy has died of internal hemorrhaging.

I used to think I was an atheist. Then I realized that I was not. I was in fact agnostic. Leaning towards atheism, perhaps, but I'm not an atheist. The dictionary describes an atheist as one who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods. Now if you think about this scientfically, one of the most primitive and basic yet indubitable laws of science is that something can not be made out of nothing, ergo, the universe simply can not just be. Following that law, one would have to believe that some power must have put it there -- god. Now, I'm not saying that's definite, but that is one scientific approach as to theorizing the existence of god. I, personally don't believe it. I also don't deny it. Believing it would be simply accepting what you've been told, and denying it would be your rebellion against contemporary views. Both views are influenced strongly by emotion. Atheism requires just as much hardheadedness as devoting yourself solely to a religion. Unless I learn something definite, the answer to whether god exists is a "I don't know," not a yes or no.
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