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Posted 2005-08-09, 06:53 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "No. Magic is not possible. The word..."
I'm sorry mjordan I don't believe I articulated myself very well. The argument I was attempting to elaborate was the "reality" concept. Perhaps not so much, but leaning more towards that than anything else. Magic is of course possible, to say it is not is actually being as close minded as you suggest Atheism to be. Is it not possible that we actually live in a world similar to the Matrix? Perhaps maybe an alien species created us and is guiding our evolution. Even yet, similar to the Matrix, maybe everything around you, your whole existence, is but a dream, and you'll awake somewhere else realizing you've been in a comma-like state your whole life.

All of these views are equally as fanciful as the idea of a being who created all life, all matter, all knowledge, all laws of physics. You're one who wants to bring this card to the table, so I ask you if God created everything, where did God come from? Who is this ultimate being?

So far, I believe that I have proven the existence of an ultimate being to be just as likely as my other inadmissable ideas presented above. Now to the point of why I consider myself atheist.

All my life I've seen and felt a scientific world. I've had things proven to me scientifically. Things I see, I touch, I smell, I hear, I taste. I've never once seen a ghost, I've never once seen a miracle, and I've never once heard the voice of God himself through me. I don't believe that God would have created us with the sensory organs we have if he were trying to create a religious race. So I have no basis for believing in God. I've also never seen an alien race, therefore I have no basis for believing we are simply a pawn of an alien race. Since my whole life has been this way, I can only lean toward what I know. I know science. It may be possible that I awake from a comma on an alien planet any minute now. Aliens may reveal themselves to the masses. God could reveal himself to the human race. All of these things are just as likely to happen. One must realize the odds of such an event are too small to even be weighed. They are however possible, and that's why I remain open minded and say that they are so.

I consider myself to be an Atheist because, as I said earlier, I believe in what I know and what I've known all my life. I don't put stock in assertions similar to the ones above. I'm not close minded about these ideas(including God), I just don't believe them to be very possible. I therefore consider myself Atheist.

Before I go I'd just like to comment back on your remark about light-speed and quantum physics. If I'm not mistaken, Einstein conquered the light-speed physics, or atleast what we know of it today. His theory of relativity explains a lot, but we've never had a chance to prove any of this. Of course our laws of physics cannot yet explain quantum physics, it's a fairly new discovery to the human race. Think back to electricity, when it was first discovered, it shook our views on science. Think back to gravity, when it was first discovered, it shook our views on science. Think back to the idea of a round world, when it was first discovered, it shook our ideas on science and the world at large. Quantum Physics is simply where we are at now, given time we will begin to understand it better than we already do. To even imply that Quantum Physics will not someday be tamed is a ludicrous idea.

Alright I'll leave you with that. If you do respond, and I'm sure you will, please don't simply assume an esoteric stance on everything put forth here. Also do not simply ignore my ideas and present your own, comment on what I've said here, prove me wrong if you can. I believe that we are both approaching the same ideas anyways, but perhaps from different sides.
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