all right then, i'll try to practice it. but one more question..... mjordan2nd's link says that the pointer point to an address in the memory, right? but you say that it has to do w/ the variable's value, right? so which one is right? they can't both be correct, right? so which one is it? and sorry for being a pain in the rear w/ all this confusion i have. i just don't catch things so easily sometimes thanks for your help guys.