Anyone can substantiate a point based on a certain view point from the press. I can quote direct reports, press conferences, etc. that will give me reason for believing Iraq and Afghanistan should be grouped together, and I can find other sources from the AP that would make me believe they shouldn't.

I already agreed that we shouldn't be in Iraq anymore, and things got out of control. I'm positive when I say that I couldn't imagine it was anyone's intention for the current state in that country, but it happened. Get over it.

Do I believe that Iraq has no ties whatsoever to terrorist cells that are connected to Al Queda? Not a chance. Does that make them connected? IMO, yes.

Even if the public was duped to believe there were WMD's in Iraq because we wanted control over their oil, there is absolutely nothing that can 100% confirm that conspiracy theory. Just because a majority of the people believe that's the case, doesn't make it fact. We are trying to debate opinions, not facts, and quite honestly, you two (Grav and D3V) apparently read and hear a lot of propoganda that supports your views, and you're regurgitating it all over Zelaron. Good job. I just don't happen to agree.