I was so ready to move this to the Opinion and Debate forum, you know. Hell, I'd even selected Mantra and !K_A!'s posts and was about to click the magical button that would allow me to split them into a new thread in the Chat Forum - I was going to call it "Professor Mantra's Theory of Emolution"... yeah, not very original, but I've just woken up.

So yes, I was going to, then I read the argument, and all joy left me. Unless it gets a lot better, it's staying here. Which makes me a saaaad panda.