Ber or Havoc Sorc

Wondering what is better for Pvp sorc, wondering if i should trade bugged 08 havoc valor for ber'd 08. also anybody kno the drmax for a sorc

Ber is better without a doubt. Well I suppose it all depends on what char type you are. But you say sorc so now it depends on your resists. Do you need the +20 resists havok gives? Other than that the 10% Life / mana is only so much compared to damage reduced you could have got. (i.e. 100 life doesnt go far in dueling). Ber would be smart choice

By the way this is my 1st post @ Zelaron/Diablo Forum. Hope to stay for a while.

Welcome to Forum Arsynel, anywho... I would agree with what he said, but I would I also would never used bugged items in the first place :P

ber all the way

ber, you can allways just sockey havok into wiz and stormshield... so thats 20%, get a .8 shako and u got urself 60% increase max life, wear some small 20's and some skill charms with life and u should have 2k health

Welcome to the forums. Anyway, ber 100% havok is just gay, i cant tell u how many havok sorcs ive owned, who think they are tough. (although im sure they were ebay, cause most of them were wearing like 6/10 strings lol)

ber is better for dueling multiple classes, i suppose if your'e one of the ub3r l33t people havok may suit you better because then you have the 'bragging' rights of saying your full bugger or w/e

errr wouldt that make them not ebay ? and the hater pretty anonying , when they see u use bug , they say ebay user the whole freaking game, i just say u freaking poor wigger

ganga im legit...

yes they do, i might know that but i just call them pos's or i ask them to kindly leave or else >.<

Welcome to Forum Arsynel, anywho... I would agree with what he said, but I would I also would never used bugged items in the first place :P

hi acer im hurley

ber, you can allways just sockey havok into wiz and stormshield... so thats 20%, get a .8 shako and u got urself 60% increase max life, wear some small 20's and some skill charms with life and u should have 2k health

Wow it takes all that for bug sorcs to match the top legit duelers. The legit ones have 8 frame casting also, I have yet to see an 8frame bugged sorc.
10x cold 45 life gc + 10x 20/17 sc will give 650 life right off the top, add in another 120 from shako, and 1000 or so from vit/quests, thats 1650. Jah armor + helm = 330 more life, = 1970 legit, thanks.

dig, most tvt pvpeast sorcs don't use gear too much like that eh..

he is talking about tvt and dr, they best dr sorcs *legit* might have 1650 tops

1650 life? well my SvS sorc had over 2300 life legit. .08valor ber, .08shako lots of 20spc life charms etc.

we don't consider 08 items legit.
with 08 valor you can get 2600+....

but with those items your fcr will be pretty low..

Why wont you consider .08 items legit? I have had the game since it came out... I dont trade items, so all my .08 are legit.

i'm saying for dueling tournaments and pvpeast/gi/etc your'e not allowed to use 08's (that are over duped)

NO WAY. 08's are the best.<----PERIOD! If you are a 08 collecetor, me, the 08 are the coolest ever. It is like woning hostory of diablo. So you can yell in newbs faces HAHAHAHA I GOT AND ITEM THAT CANT BE DROPPED! And the they will go crying to there momy and spend 80$ an a HardCore 08 valor.

And if you don't want 08's I am you man. I offer 2 dupe methods for them!

Dude, you really think owning an item that every ebayer/botter/duper has several of makes you special?

Wow, you have a duped item, go you...

If you want to use an item that can't be dropped try cubing and crafting, you won't ever see a 3 socket cruel mythical sword drop from a hell cow, and you won't ever see a crafted ring drop from a hell cow.

Then you won't have to use overpowered duped (or hacked) items to be good, try it out, k?

They are also worth much more than any hacked item, which hit the dupers immediately and a week after it comes out there are 10,000 on the realms.

Legit 2 sorc 20faster cast crafted amulets sell for hundreds of sojs on the diabloii.net marketplace, one that had prismatic resists and +15 strength had bids worth thousands (like 3 cruel mat of evis all 2 sockets all 3 skills all 285+ed all 55+max + 10 unid wf + 20 of every high end rune).

A 34 stat 11 LL ring with 30 LR and 15all other resists sold for 250 sojs + 12 unid windforce + 20 jah.

The truly valuable items are all legit...

'the truly valuable items are legit ... because they are better"

zeth my point wasn't that you are a bad person because you use o8 shako or o8 valor, its that certain dueling groups don't allow their member use items that they believe are overpowered.