Semi-Finals! Kuja vs. Raziel

Little energy thingies? WTF? You mean like Ultima?



Okay, listen.

Kuja WAS able to withstand Bahamut's attack, but in all fairness, Bahamut isn't that powerful. If Kuja could withstand an attack like that, Raziel probably could. Though HP is alot different than just a health meter.


He could scale the wall and quickly climb up to where the dragon is, let of a Force Projectile and even though he would fall, his wings could lessen the damage.

Also, he could switch to

Kuja has many powers. Magical ones that are very effective. But, Raziel's attacks could be too numerous, it wouldn't give Kuja the time he needs to fire. If this was a pure magic-to-magic battle, Kuja could win. It's just, his physical atributes are greater than Kuja's. Run quickly, use an occasional attack, get in close and either claws ora Rever attack.

Kuja might be able to avoid him if the dragon took him high up, but even then, the Silver Dragon could not evade Force Glyph or Sound Glyph for long.

He could switch to Spectral Realm. He could now run through walls, whereas the Silver Dragon must waste time moving all around to avoid running into the walls. Also, telekenis could come into play. He could break aprt stuff and then just throw it at the dragon.

Then there's the health issue is on Raziel's side. Kuja must find time, like all his other attacks, to cure himself. Raziel can switch to Spectral and his health is instantly restored.

I'm guessing Raziel is a slow, methodic person, not emotional and impulsive. This mean he would contemplate his moves. Though not much strategy is needed.


*Raziel point out flaws. I don't want Raziel to win merely because I am the only one posting a significent arguement.*

Then there's the health issue is on Raziel's side. Kuja must find time, like all his other attacks, to cure himself. Raziel can switch to Spectral and his health is instantly restored.

If i remember correctly, raziel brought this up in a previous battle. Raziel LOSES when forced to go into the spectral realm. So flying through walls and regenerating hp instantaiously wont happen.

Well, Raziel says he can do it at will. Besides, he wouldn't need to do this, because he wouldn't get hurt. So I've got a tiny battle plan.


Raziel stared at the bizarre looking man, atop a mgnificently sliver beast. A shame to bloody this beautiful creature, but no matter.

"It begins. The tragec story of a freak. And that's the end. Mwa ha ha ha!" Kuja said, sneering.

Raziel launched a projectile at Kuja. The dragon flew upwards to avoid it. It blow chunks out of the wall behind Kuja. All the large stone pieces flew at Kuja. He didn't notice(it is behind him afterall and he's concentrating on Raziel) them.

"AH!!!" he yelled.

The dragon instinctively turn tail and fled. Raziel pursued it. He let lose a Fire Glyph. The giant flames flew at the dragon. It heard the flames and began showing it's aerobatic skills. Unfortuanately, it still wasn't fast enough. Hurt, it flew lower.

Raziel climbed the wall and let lose with another Force Projectile.ound, wounded but not dead. Kuja had flown off the beast just in time.

Raziel using his wings slowed his fall. He walked over to the beast and with on quck strike of the Fire Reaver, it's life is brought to a sudden end.

Kuja was ready. He used Flare Star. The balls of energy exploded on his body. He was staggered but he still had the Fire Glyph. He launched a Fire Force Projectile at Kuja. He burst flew to the left and avoided it.

Too bad for Kuja that Raziel was using TK again. The giant stone piece was jagged and flew into Kuja like a knife. He groaned. He floated to the floor and removed the stone piece. All this time, Raziel had switched to the Water Reaver. He calmly walked to the ice sculpture that was Kuja. He slowly switched to the Earth Reaver.

With one quick motion, he brought it down on Kuja's head. One of the following things occured, because I don't know what happens to Raziel's frozen victims when he hits them.

A) He exploded into pieces.
B) He unfroze and fell to the ground dead with a deep dent in his head.

RAZIEL WINS

If i remember correctly, raziel brought this up in a previous battle. Raziel LOSES when forced to go into the spectral realm. So flying through walls and regenerating hp instantaiously wont happen.

Raziel loses when forced to go into Spectral. He can go in of his own free will and still continue the fight. Not allowing him to use his Spectral Shift at all would be like not allowing Mega Man to use his gun arm.

Kind of what I said. He can do it at will.

Ugh i give up. Time to start digging kuja's grave.

Who would attend?


Come on! Somebody do something! Sov, get Kuja to come back for this ONE battle. Or Raziel, argue against me!

I've lost it..... Arguing with Raziel.

Again, I don't think you guys are giving Kuja (the character) quite enough credit in this situation. There are a number of flaws in Kuja`s (the member) arguments that unbalance the match.

1) Raziel's TK projectiles are good for little more than stunning his opponents, unless he uses them repeatedly. It is possible for Raziel to kill an opponent with the TK projectiles, but he has to back the enemy into a corner and slam him with TK over and over in order to do so.

2) Raziel's Glyphs are technically magic, therefore if Kuja has any sort of Shell spell the glyphs power will be weakened accordingly. On top of that, Raziel can only use his glyphs so many times before he runs out of magic. His magic meter does not replenish over time like his TK meter does, so he must use those glyphs wisely.

3) One or two shots from the Fire Glyph would not be substantial to kill Kuja. Kuja is capable of taking multiple hits from a 9999 damage Flare spell in the final battle. The Fire Glyph could be considered of equal power to the Fira or Firaga spell, but not a Flare spell.

Raziel does have a good balance of melee and long-ranged attacks, but his real strength lies in melee combat. In order to kill something as powerful as Kuja, Raziel would absolutely have to hack into him with the Wraith Blade. TK projectiles and elemental glyphs won't do it. At least not quickly enough to avoid the encroaching insanity that both combatants face if they don't finish the battle off as fast as possible.

Kuja's main weakness is that his flight (like Magus) can be nullified by Raziel's TK. However, Kuja does have a backup plan in that scenario. The Silver Dragon. The Dragon is just simply too damned big for Raziel to toss around, and as such, Kuja has a way of outmaneuvering Raziel in at least some fashion. Remember, this Cathedral is fucking huge.

In order for Raziel to win, he'd need to get in close to Kuja. In order for Kuja to win, he needs to stay the hell away from Raziel. In most scenarios, evading an enemy (especially when you have a giant fucking dragon distracting your opponent) is easier than chasing an enemy.

In terms of sheer power, Raziel is not capable of destroying an entire planet. The Spirit Reaver (which is not allowed during this fight) would kill Kuja almost instantly, but it can't destroy an entire planet. Kuja's advantage is overhwelming power. His disadvantage is that he has to concentrate and keep himself away from Raziel in order to use that power. Raziel's advantage is speed and agility. He can execute any and all of his attacks instantly, with no "charge time" or "concentration" required. His weakness is that, pound for pound, he can't do nearly as much damage as Kuja can.

The one wild card in this situation is that whole "insanity" thing that's going on in the Cathedral at the moment...

Well like I said. A big difference between HP and a health meter.


Okay let's try this again.

Kuja stood confidently behind the Silver Dragon. It's massive form shielded him from Raziel. "The end is near." Kuja said laughign wildly. He raised his arms and began to concentrate for a magic spell.

Raziel ran quickly at the dragon. He used his TK to fling pieces of stone at the beast, but it ignored them and concentrated it's attacks on him. He moved quickly left and right to avoid the attacks.

Kuja shot off his first spell, Holy. It hit Raziel and he jerked backwards from the force of the attack. He counter-attacled with Sunlight Glyph. His opponents couldn't see a damn thing.

The Silver Dragon still attaciked, but Raziel had dug his claws into the wall and pulled himself upwards. He began to quickly go sideways until he was above the beast. Swooping down like a vengeful angel, he broght the Wraith Blade plunging into it's skull. It fell dead.

Kuja had regained enough of his sight to see his dragon die. He stumbled backwards and quickly flew into the air. He raised his arm to cast a spell. Not enough time. Raziel quickly scaled the wall and launched a Fire Glyph at him. Kuja felt the sting of the attack but he was still pretty much far from death. He raised his arm again, continuing to summon the spell.

Raziel lunged with the Wraith Blade. Slashed Kuja across the chest, dropping them both. Kuja fell to the ground on one knee, whereas Raziel used his wings to lessen his fall's impact.

Raziel walked over and brought his blade down over Kuja's neck. Game over.

Kuja on the Attack

Kuja quickly cast Shell on himself. He then began to summon his spells and start raining them down on Raziel. Raziel is quick enough to avoid most of the spells, but with the dragon and him, it was impossible to avoid everything.

The dragon then rose into the air, it's wings carrying it's body more than fifty feet. Kuja now had clear shots at Raziel. Raziel used Fire Force Projectile to fight back. The dragon avoided it.

Kuja was clearly winning, and he smiled as the inevitable doom of his foe drew ever closer.

Raizel ran quickly to the wall closest to Kuja. To Kuja's amazement, he went through it. He stared, stunned and then he quickly began the chase. His dragon flew through the hallways, making a left turn as it flew towards the spot where he thought Raziel could be. Nothing.

Then, slash! The dragon had been hit with a Water Glyph. Frozen it began falling at an alarming rate. Kuja jumped off and hovered there. Raziel quickly brought his arm up and shoved his blade through Kuja's gut. They both fell then. Raziel halting his fall with his wings. Kuja crashed to the floor.

Hurt, but still not dead. He went into Trance. The light flooded the room and stoon he stood there, fully okay.

Raizel looked in puzzlement.

"Good bye." Kuja said and he summoned everything he had into an Ultima spell. The pieces of pure energy began to fall. Raziel dodged one, got hit, dodged again. Soon, there was a huge crater in the center of this room. Kuja stod there, confident that it was over. Raziel was smart though. The bolts of energy couldn't go side-ways. So he had run quickly to the wall and climbed up it. ;Hurt, but far from dead, he launched himself at Kuja, bringing all the power he had into a stab right through Kuja's chest. The light flashed again and Kuja fell dead to the floor.

Undoubtedly, many flaws here as well. I'm so imperfect it is not even funny.

He can shift at will, but only if he's at full health.


There is a TK Force Projectile Amplifier, making his attacks more damaging. Using this, he can hurt Kuja even more.

I've also discovered something..... Something of great importance......


RAZIEL CAN POSSESS!

Maybe he couldn't possess Kuja, but what about the dragon? He could easilly possess it, and have it attack Kuja. Kuja would be forced to destroy his ally, or have it kill him. It has TK too, so it could prevent Kuja from reaching Raziel's immobile body. Not to mention it is probably faster than Kuja. It could stop him, just by flying at him, and pinning him to the ground.

Also, he can switch back at any time, so he's not stuck in it if Kuja doesn't kill it.

Raziel could also bring the cathedral down with Sound Reaver. It would bring the wall behind Kuja, crashing down on him. Here' how it might go.

Kuja, standing upon his loyal pet's back.

Raziel immediately transfers his soul into it.

"What?" Kuja says, stunned.

It thrashed wildly, throwing Kuja backwards. He recovered, before he smacked into the wall. It turned and began to lash out at him. It jumped right at him, pinning him to the wall.

Kuja can't concentrate his energy and can't raise his arms to attack. It brings it's head down and rips his arms right off, one by one.

Raziel switches back into his body. Silver Dragon is confused. It steps back, and Kuja stands there, armless and bleeding.

Raizel guns forward and brings his Wraith Blade down and threw the dragon's neck. Kuja, armless and defenseless watches.

Raziel brings his arm up, and Kuja is dead.(again!)

Number one, why would kuja be riding on the back of his dragon, when if hes off, in trace, he can still fly. This way 2 people could be attacking raziel. Sure raziel can tk kuja, but that will drain raziel's mana, or the equivalent wouldnt it? And as stated before, it will do reduced damage to kuja anyway.

YOu say he can posess....in what game have you EVER had the ability to posess a boss?? This case shoudl be no different. Raziel can try all he wants, but he shoulnt be able to do it. All hell be doing is draining his mana reserves.

You say tha tthe soul reaver can bring down the cathedral? How and why the hell would raziel do that. He brings it down, he has a huge chance of boulders of SOLID ROCK falling on him. If he does manage to bring it down with a SWORD, mind you its not a grenade, hell be doing kuja a favor. He wont be able to materialzie into the material world without solidifying in solid rock.

Saying that he just can't possess bosses, is totally stupid. Then non-bosses would lose. No, he can possess it. Afterall, it's just a dragon, not a human. Or an amazingly complext beast. Raziel could do it in a snap.

Does it say "Kuja" or "Kuja(Trance) " in the name of this thread? Kuja must Trance, in order for him to be Trance Kuja. He can't just start a battle that way. As far as I know.

Even if he did, he doesn't have to be on the back of his beast to have it attack him. It could just attack him, no matter where he's standing.

Don't you think that removing the structural beams and walls would bring the ceiling coming down? If Raziel can't survive, neither can Kuja. He's not invincible. Giiant pieces of stone crashing down on his head wouldn't be much fun fo rhim. Raziel is quick enough to escape the room. Kuja isn't that fast.

Also, if the dragon died, Raziel could take his soul and use it for his health.


And don't think Kuja would automaticaly know Raziel possessed his dragon. He can be stunned. This is one of those instances where confusion wins a battle.

Saying that he just can't possess bosses, is totally stupid. Then non-bosses would lose. No, he can possess it. Afterall, it's just a dragon, not a human. Or an amazingly complext beast. Raziel could do it in a snap. Does it say "Kuja" or "Kuja(Trance) " in the name of this thread? Kuja must Trance, in order for him to be Trance Kuja. He can't just start a battle that way. As far as I know. Even if he did, he doesn't have to be on the back of his beast to have it attack him. It could just attack him, no matter where he's standing. Don't you think that removing the structural beams and walls would bring the ceiling coming down? If Raziel can't survive, neither can Kuja. He's not invincible. Giiant pieces of stone crashing down on his head wouldn't be much fun fo rhim. Raziel is quick enough to escape the room. Kuja isn't that fast. Also, if the dragon died, Raziel could take his soul and use it for his health. And don't think Kuja would automaticaly know Raziel possessed his dragon. He can be stunned. This is one of those instances where confusion wins a battle.

The dragon isnt one of these simpleton creatures. No simple feeble minded creature can use a phsychokensis attack. Ill post more about it in teh mornin....