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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:06 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Why don't you take your own advice. It..."
mjordan2nd said:
Why don't you take your own advice. It was good for the white folks. I mean -- they were allowed to vote and everything.
HAHA! WRONG!

Did you even read any of my posts? One delegate to the Tennessee Constitutional Convention stated that the only right the Rebels had was to be hung. Worsening the post war situation were the infamous Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, who sought personal profit and political power by exploiting the plight of both the freed Negroes and conquered Whites. The Radical Republicans declared the Southern States would have to be re-constructed before they could be re-admitted into the Union. Until then, the ex-Confederates had no rights of citizenship. Southern whites were completely disenfranchised with no legal standing. They could not vote, hold public office, or petition for the redress of grievances. In an effort to stop the lawlessness, the South was divided into five military districts and marshal law declared. Through out the South, freed Negroes formed the Union League and Black Militias and in most areas were given the task of enforcing marshal law. Led by corrupt officers and self serving politicians, the Union League became the most violent and murderous arm of the reconstruction to Blacks and Whites alike.

The North opressed us both.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:12 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "HAHA! WRONG! Did you even read any..."
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HAHA! WRONG!

Did you even read any of my posts? One delegate to the Tennessee Constitutional Convention stated that the only right the Rebels had was to be hung. Worsening the post war situation were the infamous Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, who sought personal profit and political power by exploiting the plight of both the freed Negroes and conquered Whites. The Radical Republicans declared the Southern States would have to be re-constructed before they could be re-admitted into the Union. Until then, the ex-Confederates had no rights of citizenship. Southern whites were completely disenfranchised with no legal standing. They could not vote, hold public office, or petition for the redress of grievances. In an effort to stop the lawlessness, the South was divided into five military districts and marshal law declared. Through out the South, freed Negroes formed the Union League and Black Militias and in most areas were given the task of enforcing marshal law. Led by corrupt officers and self serving politicians, the Union League became the most violent and murderous arm of the reconstruction to Blacks and Whites alike.

The North opressed us both.

Well, no shit. The south broke the fucking country up and started a war. There's plenty of reason that the north was wary of having the south back in power, and giving rebel leaders U.S. citizenship. But in the 1870s, everything returned to normal. You know what you needed to do to vote? All you needed to do was make a simple pledge that you were loyal to the union. That's it. Now, when the south couldn't do that . . .

Also, white people couldn't vote directly after the war in the south, for a couple of years maybe. By the next presidential election, though, the southern whites were voting. Of course, grandfather clauses didn't affect white poeple.

And the north didn't opress either of us. Perhaps you don't know, but I was born 130 years after that time period.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:16 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, no shit. The south broke the..."
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Well, no shit. The south broke the fucking country up and started a war. There's plenty of reason that the north was wary of having the south back in power, and giving rebel leaders U.S. citizenship. But in the 1870s, everything returned to normal. You know what you needed to do to vote? All you needed to do was make a simple pledge that you were loyal to the union. That's it. Now, when the south couldn't do that . . .

Also, white people couldn't vote directly after the war in the south, for a couple of years maybe. By the next presidential election, though, the southern whites were voting. Of course, grandfather clauses didn't affect white poeple.

And the north didn't opress either of us. Perhaps you don't know, but I was born 130 years after that time period.
The North still opresses us today. They keep sending in illegal immigrants to steal our jobs.

Besides, our votes don't even count. The elections are always rigged.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:21 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, no shit. The south broke the..."
In Portland, Or., in the early 1920's, the Ku Klux Klan pledged $50,000 to a children's home and held a Christmas party featuring Kris Kringle. The Klan also organized a Klan Kommunity Kit to compete with the Community Chest, church visits became a kind of ritual. Typically, a small group of Klansmen would march down the aisle, hand the minister an offering of money, and silently depart. (page 39)

Protestant ministers quickly found that the Klan's emphasis on religion helped swell church attendance. (page 41)

Most Klansmen were law abiding, church going family men. Klansmen also hoped to eliminate vice and corruption through the ballot box. One Klansman declared, "Everybody knows that politicians nowadays cater to all kinds of elements, mostly selfish, some corrupt, and some definitely anti-American. They cater to the vice vote and even to the violently criminal vote. What the Klan intends to do is make them pay some attention to the decent God fearing, law abiding vote." (pages 42-43)

During the 1920's, the Klan was subjected not only to verbal abuse but also to physical assault in some areas. Bootleggers, for example, did not take kindly to the Klan's attempts to enforce prohibition. When New Jersey's Klan declared war on local bootleggers, the rum runners formed a defense council and publicly threatened to "Shoot to kill" anyone other then a policeman who interfered with their illegal traffic in liquor. (page 68)

The Klan always believed in justice. It against (or it was, anyway) Klan law to kill an innocent.

http://www.kkklan.com/various.htm
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:25 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "In Portland, Or., in the early 1920's,..."
All you liberals listen up. If the Klan was an all Protestant group, then why were/are there other types of religious groups in the Klan?

One lie leads to another.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:34 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "All you liberals listen up. If the Klan..."
The following was taken from the Bloomington, Ill. "Daily Bulletin", Feb. 21, 1922, page 1:

Headline: "Thanks to the Ku Klux Klan, Shawnee, Okla." - Negro comes into newspaper office, asks that letter be printed. "To members of the Ku Klux Klan - Greetings - We wish to thank you for your courtesy for helping to stop dishonesty and immoral practices in this section of town. We will appreciate any future steps that you may take to completely wipe out these practices. (signed) The Colored Secret Spying Society of South Town.

The following was taken from the Bloomington, Ill. "Daily Pantagraph" Sept. 17, 1924:

Headline: "Klansmen donate to Negro Church". Galesburg - 100 robed men walked into colored church during services and gave $65.00 to pastor with note, "The Klan is your friend."

The following was taken from Chicago's "Dawn", Dec. 23, 1922:

Headline: "Black Billy Sunday in Ft. Worth, Tx. likes Klan, preaches at St. James Church".

From "Dawn" Nov. 24, 1923, page 11:

Headline: "Negroes refuse to join war on Klan in Suffolk, N.Y.; nine of sixteen ministers with Catholics say Klan isn't harmful to them. Just against intermarriage."

From "Dawn", Oct. 20, 1923, page 10:

Headline: "Dixon Klan gives to Negro Baptist Church". At the Sunday service, Oct. 14, at the Colored Baptist Church here, the local organization of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan presented the congregation with an envelope containing four ten dollar bills. About three weeks ago the minister of this congregation received a letter ordering him to leave the city within twelve hours and letter was signed K.K.K., which is merely another example of the false propaganda being sent out by those who oppose this American organization. ... The minister responded with his thanks and assured us that it was received in the proper spirit, and would be used in the proper way. He also said if the Klan is composed of such men and holds such high principles his prayer to God is for more Klansmen."

From "Dawn", Dec. 2, page 8:

Headline: "Klan visits Negro Preacher." Sour Lake, Tx. - The Negro Methodist church was the scene of an extraordinary sensation last Sunday afternoon when several white robed Klansmen entered the building and presented the pastor with a donation of $40.00 and a message of encouragement. The visit followed the request of the pastor to Rev. Charles W. Hughes, pastor of the First Methodist church, to assist him in raising funds for religious work in the Colored community. Rev. Hughes delivered a sermon on "Money" before the dusky congregation and assisted in taking up the collection."

Also, from that same page of "Dawn":

Headline: "Negro leader learns Klan is friend." Madison, Wis. - The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the Negroes of Madison have buried the hatchet. This was indicated the other day by statements of Klan leaders and Rev. F.J. Peterson, pastor of the African Bethel church, who is regarded as a local leader of his race. The pastor acknowledged receipt of a donation of $25.00 made by the Klansmen. "The board of trustees of our church regards the donation as being made in good faith and has accepted it as such," Rev. Peterson said. "It has helped to dispel natural prejudices and to encourage better feeling. ...In a letter which accompanied the gift, it is declared that reports that the Ku Klux Klan is an anti-Negro organization are untrue."

A summing up of the New Jersey KKK. Much of the following was taken from, "Hooded Americanism, the History of the Ku Klux Klan", by David Chalmers, the "Good Citizen" magazine, and Klan records.

The KKK first spread to New Jersey from the states of New York and Pennsylvania early in 1921 and has had a history of being a peaceful Klan. Attorney Arthur Bell was N.J.'s first and longest reigning Grand Dragon. He ruled the New Jersey KKK right up to the Klan's disbandment in the 1940's. His wife Leah Bell was the state leader of the Women of the Ku Klux Klan. The Klan's first strongholds were in Passaic, Bergen, Essex, Union, and Morris counties and in the area around Trenton and Camden. But the Klan grew strongest in Monmouth county.

In the mid-twenties, the Klan marched, rallied, and worshipped. It reached a membership of around 100,000. The Klan built Monroe Recreational Park and Shark River Recreational Park, where the Grand Dragon lived and the Imperial Wizard visited. (The Klan placed the valuable Shark River Recreational Park in the name of the Monmouth Pleasure Club Association.

Before long the Klan prospered and spread throughout the state. It's purposes were to protect the Constitution and pure womanhood; preserve the White race, the separation of church and state, and uphold law and order. There were no substantiated reports of actual Klan violence and ceremonial cross lightings were common. Drunkenness, wife beatings, mixed marriages, child abuse, and immorality were particularly opposed by the N.J. Klan. Apart from it's nocturnal rituals and fraternalism, the primary concern of the N.J. Klan was the preservation of the traditional American values. As the Klan's Tri-K-Girls put it, "The return to the teachings of our mothers." This meant stressing the virtues of Christian fundamentalism and temperance. It was not surprising, therefore, that in New Jersey this often led to friendly relations and co-operation with many churches.

It became characteristic of the N.J. Klan to receive support from the ministry. Although Baptist, Presbyterian, Dutch Reformed, and Evangelical pastors and churches supplied pulpits and prestige for the Klan, its truest friends came from the Pillar of Fire Church and the Methodists. Bishop Alma White's religious community of Zarepath (near Bound Brook) favored the Klan which they saw as an ally in the fight to protect bible Christianity against modern distortions and criticism. The Pillar of Fire Church looked with favor upon the Klan's fiery cross. Bishop White praised the Klan by sermon, book, and in the church's Good Citizen publication. Bishop White also predicted that the Klan would be popular among the colleges starting with Princeton University. The Imperial Wizard visited the Bishop White at her Zarepath church grounds several times.

Klansmen appeared at friendly churches such as the Third Presbyterian in Elizabeth, the Grace Methodist in Kearney, the First Baptist in Bayonne, the Calvary Methodist Episcopal in Paterson, the Grace Methodist Episcopal in Newark, and the Colonial United Methodist Church in Oxford. Usually they entered "robed up", sat in reserved sections, donated money to the minister, gave talks on why the Klan favored positive Christianity, and peacefully departed as church choirs sang "Onward Christian Soldiers". While approving Klansmen and congregations listened, ministers gave special sermons on Americanism, and quoted from Romans 12:1, the Klan's verse of the New Testament.

In Monmouth and Ocean Counties Klansmen regularly paraded through the streets of Long Branch, Asbury Park, Point Pleasant, and Lakewood on their way to Sunday morning services. Members of the clergy joined the Klan. The recruiters and speakers of the N.J. Klan were often ministers and some pastors headed Klaverns or held state or local Klan office. Of all the denominations, the ministers of the Methodist Episcopal Church were most prominent in Klan affairs. Many ministers in New Jersey felt that it was part of their duty to seek out and reproach transgressors. They warmly approved joint efforts with the Klan to carry it out. The principal objectives of their concern were usually immorality and drunkenness. In Asbury Park, the Civic Church League and the Klan met at the First Methodist Episcopal Church to combine forces against such. Although vice was always a matter of concern, the bond uniting Klan and churchmen was a common struggle against alcohol abuse. During this time the KKK donated money to the Negro church of Belmar and paid off the mortgage to the Negro church of Vineland.

In the spring of 1923, the Klan went to the state assembly to support a bill to permit New Testament readings in public schools. (Such was not considered a violation of the separation of church and state at the time.) Later that summer the Klan and the Ministerial Association of Plainfield joined in opposition to Sabbath breaking. Some ministers preached that the Klan was the only hope of bringing straying Christians back into the fold, and the Grand Dragon promised that he would strive to return New Jersey to "The Old Time Religion". In the village of Atco, near Camden, the Klan participated in the dedication of a new non-denominational church. Throughout the 1920's, the relationship between Klan and clergy continued. Klansmen and churchmen joined to sponsor Senator Heflin for president at a rally at Upsala College. In Atlantic City, the extremely active local Klansmen accused the city government of protecting vice and lawlessness. The Klan took part in the Flag Day parade in Bloomfield. In 11926, the Unity Klan No. 17 of Rahway and Linden sponsored a fund raising drive to rebuild the Negro Church of Carteret. The banner on photo below reads: "Help Us To Rebuild The Negro Church Of Carteret".

http://www.kkklan.com/various3.gif

In 1923, H.L. Mencken and George Jean Nathan, recognized critics of the American scene, described the Ku Klux Klan for Smart Set, their journal of satirical sophistication. They flayed every organizational aspect of the national life. Sparing no one, majority or minority, they connected the KKK with all that was ludicrous and unwarranted in a society which they felt represented mediocracy. They wrote:

"Not a single solitary sound reason has yet been advanced for putting the Ku Klux Klan out of business. If the Klan is against the Jews, so are half of the good hotels of the Republic and three-quarters of the good clubs. If the Klan is against the foreign born or the hyphenated citizen, so is the National Institute of Arts and Letters. If the Klan is against the Negro, so are all of the states south of the Mason-Dixon line. If the Klan is for damnation and persecution, so is the Methodist Church. If the Klan is bent upon political control, so are the American Legion and Tammany Hall. If the Klan wears grotesque uniforms, so do the Knights of Pythias and Mystic Shriners. If the Klan holds its meetings in the dead of night, so do the Elks. If the Klan conducts its business in secret, so do all college Greek letter fraternities and the Department of State. If the Klan holds idiotic parades in the public streets, so do the police, the letter-carriers, and firemen. If the Klan's officers bear ridiculous names, so do the officers of the Lambs' Club. If the Klan uses the mails for shaking down suckers, so does the Red Cross. If the Klan constitutes itself a censor of private morals, so does the Congress of the United States. If the Klan lynches a Moor for raping someone's daughter, so would you or I."
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 09:46 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "The following was taken from the..."
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Posted 2005-02-26, 10:03 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "HAHA! WRONG! Did you even read any..."
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HAHA! WRONG!

Did you even read any of my posts? One delegate to the Tennessee Constitutional Convention stated that the only right the Rebels had was to be hung. Worsening the post war situation were the infamous Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, who sought personal profit and political power by exploiting the plight of both the freed Negroes and conquered Whites. The Radical Republicans declared the Southern States would have to be re-constructed before they could be re-admitted into the Union. Until then, the ex-Confederates had no rights of citizenship. Southern whites were completely disenfranchised with no legal standing. They could not vote, hold public office, or petition for the redress of grievances. In an effort to stop the lawlessness, the South was divided into five military districts and marshal law declared. Through out the South, freed Negroes formed the Union League and Black Militias and in most areas were given the task of enforcing marshal law. Led by corrupt officers and self serving politicians, the Union League became the most violent and murderous arm of the reconstruction to Blacks and Whites alike.

The North opressed us both.
That's why Johnson threw out pardons like there was no tomorrow? Basically the only person who wasn't pardoned was Davis.

Grant intervened with military action because preventing people (blacks) from voting was a federal crime.

And who were intimidating voters? The KKK.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 10:09 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "That's why Johnson threw out pardons..."
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That's why Johnson threw out pardons like there was no tomorrow? Basically the only person who wasn't pardoned was Davis.

Grant intervened with military action because preventing people (blacks) from voting was a federal crime.

And who were intimidating voters? The KKK.
It will offend some members of the various Klan organizations and it will offend some anti-Klan people. But what I put here are the documented facts. I will list my sources so that skeptics can research this information themselves. The simple truth is that no American organization has had its true history so distorted and misrepresented as the Ku Klux Klan. What is taught in schools today about the KKK is largely myth. What modern day Klan groups present as Klan history is largely myth. What is presented as Klan history today by anti-Klan groups is largely myth. After over twenty years of extensive research I stand by my findings regardless of who it offends or who doesn't believe it. Facts are facts. One of the greatest crimes that can be committed against future generations is to re-write history for the sake of modern present day political or social attitudes. Future generations as well as the present generation have a right to know the truth about their nation's history.

We have recently made a new historical find concerning Negroes in the KKK that you will find surprising. It appears that in some cases Whites and Blacks belonged to the same local chapters of the Ku Klux Klan. Our source of information is from the book: Hard Times by Studs Terkel (1970, New York). The book is about the conditions in this country during the Great Depression. On page 239 we read:

"The Ku Klux was formed on behalf of people that wanted a decent living, both black and white. Half the coal camp was colored. It wasn't anti-colored. The black people had the same responsibilities as the white. Their lawn was just as green as the white man's. They got the same rate of pay. There was two colored who belonged to it. I remember those two coming around my father and asking questions about it. They joined. The pastor of our community church was a colored man. He was Ku Klux. It was the only protection the working man had. ....... One time a Negro slapped a white boy. They didn't give him any warning. They whipped him and ran him out of town. If a white man slapped a colored kid, they'd have dome the same thing. They didn't go in for beating up Negroes because they were Negroes. What they did was keep the community decent to live in. What they did object to was obscenity and drinking."
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 10:16 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "It will offend some members of the..."
Remember, we're talking about the old Knights. A few 1960's Klan branches gave the Klan a bad image overall. (which is probably why there are so many lies concerning the Classic Klan these days)
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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Posted 2005-02-26, 10:18 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Remember, we're talking about the old..."
Two black people. They really were saints.
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Two black people. They really were saints.
http://www.kkklan.com/various.htm
http://www.kkklan.com/negroklan.htm
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.
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Posted 2005-02-26, 10:30 AM in reply to zonalon's post starting "http://www.kkklan.com/various.htm..."
Okay, people. If the South is so racist, then how come all the slaves were brought here under the Stars and Stripes? ALSO THE FEDS PAID ALL SOLDIERS EQUALLY

Oh, and by the way kids, when you burn a cross, remember to do it in the name of the Lord! (The media thinks you are some sort of terrorist when you burn a cross) http://www.kkklan.com/fierycross.htm

I mean, these wannabe Klannies are now burning swastikas (a pagan symbol) & doing Nazi salutes instead of the traditional Klan salute (seen here: http://www.kkklan.com/truefl4.gif)

The KKK was never about killing innocents; the KKK was all about killing the guilty.
Snow is racist. It does not have an equal amount of colored snow as it does white snow. We must find a way to alter nature so that snow becomes colored.

When you decorate your tree for Christmas, you must put at least 24.8% colored bulbs, and they must be placed throughout the tree and not segregated in any matter.

Christmas presents must not be wrapped in white paper.

If Christmas music is to be played, under no circumstances is 'Have a White Christmas' to be Played.

Turkey may be served, but only if there is an equal amount of dark and white meat be served.

You must keep your colored and white dogs in the same room at all times, unsegregated, and they must get along at all times.

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