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Raziel you're an idiot, I never said I didn't like Nintendo I was nearly stating how they do it. If you read the last sentence(I'm sure it got tough half-way through) It said that I was going to buy the next generation console to play the adventures of my favorite Nintendo characters. I also agree with your view of Sonic games. They're really all the same, and their shots at 3D are just... ::shudders::

As much as I liked the NES, you couldn't be more wrong with your bold statement about the NES being the father of all video games. That's just, for lack of a better word, retarded. Games are inherent in people, and with the development of computers and people having loads of free time, games were an inevitable evolutionary branch of computer technology.

MAYBE the NES was the father of console games, but that's still a very looooong shot.

Oh ya and since you wanna knock HALO, and at the same time talk about innovation. You know what, nevermind, you probably stopped reading this post halfway through because your head hurt.

Oooh, you've done it now.

Raziel you're an idiot.

You might not have heard the quote yet, but arguing with Raziel is like: "A cripple slapping a cruise missile". Guess who is who.

Edit:

Just found the thread that that quote comes from...man alive, was I a jerk back then...http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....40&#post453575 We thank Slim for the timeless phrase btw.

You've just given Raz an oppurtinty to vent his anger and frustrtaion which would be directed at D3V if he wasn't banned. And he was banned a few months ago. That's a lot of anger and frustration needing to be released.

Raziel you're an idiot

Did I make attacks? Did I call you names? All I did was provide a counterpoint to your statements, schmuck. Don't get snippy with me.

I never said I didn't like Nintendo

Please, by all means direct me to the place where I accused you of doing so, putz.

I was nearly stating how they do it.

I was merely providing a counterpoint to your opinions. Loosen those trousers, Gilligan.

As much as I liked the NES, you couldn't be more wrong with your bold statement about the NES being the father of all video games.

I never said that the NES was the father of all videogames. That would be the Magnavox Oddyssey. The NES saved the videogames industry from certain death at Atari's misguided hands. The majority of the videogame press agrees with me, butt-stain.

That's just, for lack of a better word, retarded. Games are inherent in people, and with the development of computers and people having loads of free time, games were an inevitable evolutionary branch of computer technology.

Sure, games are inherent in people. However, the fact remains that console videogames could very well have become the electronic equivalent of professional roller derby these days. Nobody watches the sport, but it still exists. That was the path that console gaming was heading toward before Nintendo made the industry into a viable presence.

And stop drawing parallels between PC games and console games. I never said Nintendo saved the entire electronic game industry. I said they saved the console industry. There's a big diference, skippy.

MAYBE the NES was the father of console games, but that's still a very looooong shot.

The NES was the savior of console games. I never said father. Stop taking my words out of context.

Oh ya and since you wanna knock HALO, and at the same time talk about innovation. You know what, nevermind, you probably stopped reading this post halfway through because your head hurt.

I'm not knocking Halo anymore than I am knocking Zelda and it's tried and true "save the Princess" rountine in every single game. Halo did not create the "alien menace attacks the world" device, therefore Halo is not a pioneering bastion of innovative story. That's not a bad thing, but for SYG to try and claim that all Nintendo does is rehash old crap while Microsoft and Sony do nothing but excrete pure, creative gold is a load of absolute malarkey.

Let me summarize this post with the following:

SIMMER DOWN, FUCK-PUP.

Nobody here said that Nintendo is the be-all end-all of videogame genius. Nobody said that Nintendo is the father of electronic gaming. Nobody has said that everything Nintendo does is pure gold while everything any other company does is sheer, unbridled crap. Nobody except you, that is.

You are taking my statements so far out of context that the distance between the truth and your perception of the truth would require the use of Astronomical Units to properly measure. You assume that I'm attacking you, whereas in reality, I'm simply providing an alternate view of your statements. You assume that I'm lionizing Nintendo and demonizing everyboy else, whereas in reality, I'm simply stating a few positive-note observations about their accomplishments. You assume that I'm championing Nintendo games as being at the forefront of innovation and creativity, while Sony and Microsoft games stand with their thumbs up their asses, waiting for the next big trend. In reality, I am simply equalizing the playing field by saying that all parties do their fair share of innovating and rehashing. The only difference is that Nintendo has been doing it longer.

All of these assumptions are wrong. I have said nothing to indicate any of these ridiculous charges you level against me. You're fighting against an argument that doesn't exist, pal. You appear to truly be itching for a fight, and if that's what you're lookin' for, you'd better find some substantially more solid ground to do it from. Taking my statements completely out of context, putting words into my mouth and just generally being a soggy douche from the moment the starter pistol fires is not the way to earn a foothold in a discussion.

Take a deep breath and have yourself a dose of Midol, crampy. You're in desperate need of a break.

To put it simply, Lenny, I'm not afraid of vented anger from little girls.

Where to start, where to start. I mean I could do the same thing you seem to like to do. Take snippets from other people's arguments, and defile them. For talking about context you certainly are a hypocritical one.

Oh, and Halo's "evil aliens attack the world" plot is completely new and original too, huh? Spare me.

The Zelda games as well have done their fair share of innovating. Ocarina of Time brought with it the lock-on camera, auto-jump, and many of the 3D action/adventure standards still used by current-day games.

I'm not knocking Halo anymore than I am knocking Zelda

Of course, of course.

Not a chance. Atari firmly rooted the public concept of videogames being trite, pointless and juvenile with the 2600 and 5800 systems. If it hadn't been for Nintendo, they would have continued to be seen in that light and would have died in the mid-80's. Nintendo turned a throwaway timewaster into a bonafide industry.

And stop drawing parallels between PC games and console games. I never said Nintendo saved the entire electronic game industry. I said they saved the console industry. There's a big diference, skippy.

Well I thought "VideoGames" was pretty much the equivelant of "Electronic Games". You sure got me here, though. I mean when we factor in the counting Skip-it, Giga-Pets, Tickle-me Elmo, and your battery operated Barbie car, "Electronic Games" really does take on a much broader view.

To criticize Nintendo for doing something that both of their competitors are also actively engaged in, and will no doubt continue to do as long as they dominate the market, is asinine.

Did I make attacks?

AS-I-NINE - of, relating to, or resembling an ass

You don't have to call someone Shit, to call them Shitty.

Sure, games are inherent in people. However, the fact remains that console videogames could very well have become the electronic equivalent of professional roller derby these days.

Now it's Console Videogames. I'm not so sure, but if I were you, I would have edited my post so I didn't look like a jackass.

SIMMER DOWN, FUCK-PUP.

Oh yes, I'm way out of line.


I could do this all day because you're posts are full of contradictions. You want to dissect other people's good word to blow them completely out of proportion and context. I believe I left most of your futile arguing in context. I really added nothing whatsoever, you practically shot yourself in the foot this time. It's unfortunate because most arguments in REAL LIFE consist of people saying their parts, and then they go back and forth. However, arguing with someone as childish as you ineptly consists of picking through someone elses' posts like a vulture and arguing over exact wording and such. You Raziel, not me, are the one who takes peoples' statements out of context and puts words in other peoples' mouths. For the record, I was fighting nothing and noone. Let me remind you that you're the one who brought out the gloves.

In all fairness, there's no point in arguing with someone as childish as yourself. You've made no good points. Your argument is meaningless. You're so far up Nintendo's ass that you can't even give them a reach-around anymore. You're a dejected and pathetic person. I won't baby you Raziel, so go home to your mommy, maybe she'll put up with your crap.

You are really in for it now. I'm quite interested to see how Raziel takes it.

Btw, don't forget the quote from Slim:

Arguing with Raziel is like a cripple slapping a cruise missile.

You might like to get your post sorted out as well. It's all fragmented and you've messed up your first set of quotes.

Ya I know the quotes part really irritated me. Something happened with the spacing and it went crazy.

Uh Lenny.. ya got a little.. ya got a little... a little bit of crap around your mouth.

Unless this inflated egotistical turd decides he wants to ban me, there's not much he can do. His arguments are weak as is his intelligence.

There is nothing wrong with good, old fashioned debates among forum members. I don't really see any need for a ban, so you shouldn't worry. Anyway, most games are rips of other games nowadays, because there aren't many orginal ideas to come up anymore.

HALO was so great for a number of reasons. The gameplay was amazingly smooth and interactive. The graphics are bar-none, and the weapon selection was intense and original. The story line was new, but not the premise, and the multi-player option was ripped from Golden Eye, but took it to the next realm. The same can be said about Zelda, which is why these gaming titles are the most successful for their individual consoles.

HALO was so great for a number of reasons. The gameplay was amazingly smooth and interactive. The graphics are bar-none, and the weapon selection was intense and original. The story line was new, but not the premise, and the multi-player option was ripped from Golden Eye, but took it to the next realm. The same can be said about Zelda, which is why these gaming titles are the most successful for their individual consoles.

I felt like I was reading the back of the video game box.

Where to start, where to start. I mean I could do the same thing you seem to like to do. Take snippets from other people's arguments, and defile them. For talking about context you certainly are a hypocritical one.

Absolutely nothing I posted in my last statement was taking your quotes out of context. I left the comments whole when extra text was required to covey the full meaning of the statement. Every claim I made about your post was dead-on, chump. You show me where I played it different and I'll show you a man with two dicks.

Of course, of course.

Remind me again what gameplay and story have to do with one-another, shit-squeeze? Remind me where I said anything about Halo's GAMEPLAY being trite and cliche? Oh, that's right, I didn't. I said the plot has been done before, and in the very same paragraph, I said Zelda was guilty of the same thing. You're really grasping at straws here, Chauncey. Try again.

Well I thought "VideoGames" was pretty much the equivelant of "Electronic Games". You sure got me here, though. I mean when we factor in the counting Skip-it, Giga-Pets, Tickle-me Elmo, and your battery operated Barbie car, "Electronic Games" really does take on a much broader view.

Picking at straws again, S2. We weren't discussing PC games, we weren't discussing "Skip-It." We were talking about CONSOLE games. I figured you'd have enough grasp of context to understand that, but considering what a spectacular job you've been doing of mutilating every last word I've posted so far, it doesn't surprise me that the omission of a single word had your brain tied up in knots.

You don't have to call someone Shit, to call them Shitty. AS-I-NINE - of, relating to, or resembling an ass.

Oh, let's conveniently ignore the primary definition of the word, shall we?

1 : marked by inexcusable failure to exercise intelligence or sound judgment <an asinine excuse> 2 : of, relating to, or resembling an ass

Now, please, once again point me to to the place where I said you were "asinine". I labeled your behavior as asinine, which would fall under the first definition. Way to mangle my words, bro.

Now it's Console Videogames. I'm not so sure, but if I were you, I would have edited my post so I didn't look like a jackass.

I edit my posts for grammatical and spelling errors, just as you did with your last one. Making asumptions only serves to make you appear as if "relating to or resembling an ass." Then again, making assumptions and taking statements horribly out of context seems to be your specialty.

Oh yes, I'm way out of line.

Raziel you're an idiot

You stooped to name calling before I did, Tastycakes.

I believe I left most of your futile arguing in context.

You've got to be kidding me. I posted a fairly non-biased response to your statements and you responded with a flame-laced diatribe about my love-affair with Nintendo. I did no company bashing, game bashing or people bashing of any sort. I simply levelled the playing field by giving a different perspective

Let me congratulate you on yet another spectacular failure of an argument. You've managed to once again completely defile the original context of my statements and feebly attempt to stretch semantic nonsense into your own brand of insane logic. You turned this into a fight, goat-choker, not I. My original post was a mere response to your blanketed and generalized statements, and for it I was labelled an "idiot" and handed a basket full of flames.

Do you respond this way when anyone disagrees with you? Do you start tossing insults and throwing toys around when your parents call for tuck-in time? Are you completely incapable of engaging in a debate without your arguments degenerating into a series of muddled attacks and semantic backtracking? I simply presented my opinion on your statements, and immediately you start shoving words into my mouth and redefining the intent of every single sentence I posted. Read back through it, numbnuts. I was talking about videogames, you started whining about semantics.

I honestly have to say that, in my years as a longstanding member here, you are by far the worst opponent I've ever faced in a debate. It took you a single post before your arguments turned into trite "he said, she said" bickering. You've done nothing but backtrack and squabble over minor details to try and forge an argument out of absolute shit. You have no case, yet you continue to bicker over which definition of the word "asinine" you assumed I was using.

Just stop now. You're done. You are a hypersensitive, thin-skinned simpleton with no ability to hold his own in a genuine argument. You've done nothing to enrich the atmosphere or nature of this debate. You've taken a simple counterpoint to your ridiculous intitial statements and have turned this into a war of semantics. You lost the very second you tried to assume the intent behind my words, and guessed wrong.

Sit down and shut up, Sparky. You were dead yesterday.

Ow. I'm throwing in the towel for him.

Oh yeah, well he has a gun and can shoot you! So there! (Actually, I don't even know if communications officers carry a gun around regularly, do they?)

I still think it's funny how Raziel claims not to take someone's words out of context, but continually does so. The only real reason that I even entertained that nonsensical idea of yours was an attempt to show you how juvenile of a tactic it actually was. An attempt that obviously failed, as I open the page and see that you have quoted me even more so than before.

I'm not going to quote you, Raziel, I don't really care to do so. I'd just be posting your diluted words a second or third time. As far as arguing goes, this one doesn't really exist. I've read what you've posted. You on the other hand, don't really seem to read what someone else posts, you just requote them and throw an insult their way. The argument of who started mudslinging doesn't exist. If you had read my last post, I'm sure that all of Zelaron and the world would agree. Your response to my original post was not only far out of line, and you threw the first insult by not only quoting what I said, bashing it(not offering a counter-proposal), then saying that anyone who would accept such views is asinine. That's too simple to ignore. Oh and no I didn't ignore the first definition. I actually considered posting them both, but the latter seemed to show more emphasis. Either way, it was still a negative comment on your part. If you're still wondering why my first slanderous comment was thrown your way, it was because you are an idiot. You took what I said, and then launched an argument as if my original post even contradicted yours.

I'm also sure that you're trying for an unachievable goal here. If everyone will simply thumb back through the posts, I'm sure you'll see where Raziel claimed that the NES was(not the father, because if I post that you'll take everyone's attention off the main point here and claim you never said 'father'), but instead said it was the savior of modern video games. I'm not quoting you exactly, because that's too primitive a way of debating, as you have proven already kid. I'm sure that all of Zelaron would again agree with me. I don't think I really have to prove the meaning of each and every word in your sentence, the overall meaning was conveyed. If you're going to argue about that, then just stop for a second before you dig up five quotes and write a meaningless paragraph and I guess try to impress people. Stop and think. Instead of arguing that point, MOST people would just say that they made a typo, forgot to include console, and console videogames is what they really meant to say. You didn't.

Raziel you seem to like to end each of your misleading logically blundering sentences about my posts with some sort of petword. This is the only time I will "quote" you. I.E. Tastycakes, goat-choker, butt-stain, chump, FUCK-PUP, crampy, skippy. You've been attacking me from the moment we started debating. I'm not sure if you're trying to establish some sort of superiority because of your obvious lack of intelligence, or you simply don't know much else. I think goat-choker is the only creative of the bunch. Please, dissect your own post and show me more creative name-calling if you wish, I don't care much for it. I could always make up names describing you: cum-dumpster, cockholster, cream puff, cock dock, sissy girl, pantywaste, etc...

That's not how you win a debate, though. I'm not sure the people you usually debate with, I haven't been here long enough to know or care. I'm not even sure of your tactics, you contradict yourself so many times, it's as if you're debating yourself. Anyways, I'd guess that most people got tired of you requoting them over and over and writing chapter long rebuttles that just show a few simple and already repeated ideas and simply gave up. However you used to win debates, it's not working this time. Your last three paragraphs are really just a reshowing of the last few paragraphs of your last post. You claiming victory over something you haven't come close to winning, I'm ridiculous to 'argue' with the great Raziel. Skimming through... I squander of small details? I start tossing insult first? I shoved words into YOUR mouth? Those paragraphs are really the only meaningful part of your debate, the rest is just the normal requoting. In this space that you could have put something useful, you've instead just described yourself.

First and foremost, the quotes are there for the sake of referencing your argumentative points. In an actual debate, opposing members counter each point in succession, taking them one at a time. Online, the equivalent to this is quoting another person, for the sake of referencing their individual arguments. If you want to boil this down into a mass of paragraphs that consist of one-sided scream-fests, you go right ahead. I'm doing you a courtesy.

How is calling your generalized comments "asinine" in any way an attack against you, S2? Explain that one to me, because criticizing one's actions and criticizing their identity are two completely separate things. I didn't call names, I didn't hurl insults. I merely observed that you posted a couple of lame, generalized blanket statements. Again, is this how you respond to all non-positive comments directed your way? Calling names and immediately launching into an offensive diatribe? Grow up, kid.

I'm not quoting you exactly, because that's too primitive a way of debating, as you have proven already kid.

Too "primitive"? I suppose you're posting your thoughts onto the boards via telepathy then? Spare me your egomaniacal pablum. I already tossed this pathetic excuse of yours out the door. Quoting and referencing specific arguments is the online equivalent of an actual debate. What you're preaching is the online equivalent of a temper tantrum.

The fact of the matter is, you are the one that took a slightly negative comment as an attack and decided to start hurling insults. I'm not going to just sit here and be labelled an "idiot" by a mumbling buffoon like you, so I lashed back. You can't handle not being praised at every turn of the day? You can't handle a non-positive comment on your opinions? Tough shit. Ain't my bitch.

That's not how you win a debate, though.

That's not how you win a debate? This stopped being a debate the moment you took a harmless comment as an attack and started hurling insults, Ponch. You can't win a debate because you can't handle the idea of being told you're acting like a twat without leaping off the deep and and turning a structured exchange into a bare-knuckle melee. Everything you've done since the moment you responded to me has been an absolute farce of rational thought. I never accused you of hating Nintendo, as you claim I did. I never stated that Nintendo excretes pure gold, while Microsoft re-hashes tired garbage, as you claim I did. And I didn't attack you until after you tried to bare your measly-ass fangs at me, as you'd like to convince yourself of otherwise.

Everything you've posted over the last 24 hours has been a total waste of your time, I can tell you that right now. You have the mental caliber to pretend like you're a sane, intellgent individual, but you don't have quite enough to actually be one. I repeat: you are a hypersensitive whiner that can't take a pinch of criticism without losing his head, you misconstrue every statement your opponent tries to make, and you attempt to use lame ass criticisms like "quoting" to divert attention away from the fact that you've already lost the battle. Honestly, I've never seen anyone crash and burn as badly as you have over the last few posts, and with each new entry that you post in this anthology of failure, you only bury yourself deeper in the mindless, backtracking stupidity of your own garbled nonsense.

Stop now. Everything you do is laced with failure. You reek of it.