World of Warcraft Poll, Please answer

If you raid just for gear, you raid for the wrong reasons. Maybe you should evaluate why you raid. If the gear you are getting is good enough to progress you further, you should be happy. If you want gear with less work, go PVP. Do what you enjoy.

Where did I say anything like that?

You raid to see content, you raid to progress your character, and you raid to play with your friends. I raid for all three, as does anyone who raids. That's not my point however.

It basically boils down to someone who does more work would normally expect better compensation. This was a major (and valid) concern of people doing the PvP grind under the old Honor system versus people zoning in with Raid epics.

This got addressed, now the situation has reversed.

Why do you need "compensation" for "seing content, progressing your character, and playing with your friends"? What you're saying is reversed. You say you pretty much raid for fun, but you expect compensation for it like you're working a job.

Progressing your character is done via gear in the game, there's nothing else after hitting the level cap.

The rub is that when someone progresses faster than you simply because of either an oversight or skewed mechanics is when people become unhappy. Everyone wants a level playing ground, is all I'm saying.

Hell, most of my reply after the initial complaint was a possible solution for it that would equally benefit both playstyles and confer no undue advantage over another in a World environment. I don't see why you're attempting to attack my posts.

I'm sorry all I heard was "QQ I'm a loot whore want free epix"

I'm sorry all I heard was "QQ I'm a loot whore want free epix"

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Didn't bother to read my posts then, I see. Free epics would ruin the damn game, it's the best thing in the world to drop a new boss and have your guild cheering over vent, especially when it's a cockblock boss you've been working on for a while.

I'd expand on my line of thinking more (it's pretty common among raiders who shard drops off First Kills), but it's obvious you only want to troll my posts, so I won't waste the time. I think you should take whatever problem you have with me to the Flame Forum if you feel you need to, as you're setting a lovely example for new members by trolling/flaming me outside of it.

... Didn't bother to read my posts then, I see. Free epics would ruin the damn game, it's the best thing in the world to drop a new boss and have your guild cheering over vent, especially when it's a cockblock boss you've been working on for a while. I'd expand on my line of thinking more (it's pretty common among raiders who shard drops off First Kills), but it's obvious you only want to troll my posts, so I won't waste the time. I think you should take whatever problem you have with me to the Flame Forum if you feel you need to, as you're setting a lovely example for new members by trolling/flaming me outside of it.

PVP and Raid? GG.

... Didn't bother to read my posts then, I see. Free epics would ruin the damn game, it's the best thing in the world to drop a new boss and have your guild cheering over vent, especially when it's a cockblock boss you've been working on for a while. I'd expand on my line of thinking more (it's pretty common among raiders who shard drops off First Kills), but it's obvious you only want to troll my posts, so I won't waste the time. I think you should take whatever problem you have with me to the Flame Forum if you feel you need to, as you're setting a lovely example for new members by trolling/flaming me outside of it.

I have no reason to flame you or take this conversation anywhere but here. I disagree with what you're playing for, and you're contradicting yourself. The problem I have is I've played with people exactly like you. You claim one thing yet your actions show another, and no matter what you just want your loot, you'll lose your friends for it and forget that the game is meant to be played for fun rather than epics. This game turns people into bad things.

Everyone should adopt my policy on gear.

GREENS ROOL.

I have no reason to flame you or take this conversation anywhere but here. I disagree with what you're playing for, and you're contradicting yourself. The problem I have is I've played with people exactly like you. You claim one thing yet your actions show another, and no matter what you just want your loot, you'll lose your friends for it and forget that the game is meant to be played for fun rather than epics. This game turns people into bad things.

I don't see where I'm contradicting myself or any such thing, I may not be too eloquent on 3 hours of sleep though.

The only time I could ever have been said to lose friends over epics or something like that was when we converted to a raid guild, and we lost some people due to the shift in the guild. Some people didn't want the change, most did, and even then there were some disagreements that lost more.

Friends and epics is no contest, friends are far more valuable. I played a Priest I hated for over a year for my friends, and currently run as a Tank for my friends when I'd rather return to DW Fury. I'm constantly trying to ensure that the guild is happy and do what I can to help (within my recently limited schedule). I guess I couldn't really change your mind, but I do feel like I'm being judged unfairly.

Anyway, I'll let this drop. Sorry for stirring up any drama, I loathe drama.