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Posted 2007-09-07, 08:54 AM in reply to HandOfHeaven's post starting "kyeruu, this was a bad subject to bring..."
HandOfHeaven said:
kyeruu, this was a bad subject to bring here. I believe the Bible to be true, but I'll keep out of this. You all will try to brainwash me into your beliefs/nonbeliefs instead of letting me keep mine.


Well, the Old Testament God was a pretty mean guy. You'd be pissed too if your chosen people kept on fucking up and making other false gods. Wouldn't agree with that biased quote though.
I think it's more like we'll tell you your beliefs are wrong rather than try to make you believe ours. I personally think the more you try to make someone believe something, the less they will ever believe it. You shouldn't have to make someone believe something if it's right and you've got something to back it up.

Hell, I don't know that anyone is right or wrong these days. Even after just a little bit of research on a few different religions, it seems like the Christians pretty much just stole all of their shit from other people and labeled it as the bible. Confucius is the one who first said the "golden rule," as far as I know.

All of the similarities between religions make me ponder whether or not everyone is a little bit right. The problem is, a lot of times people have their own personal agendas that they mix into religion. For instance, hating of homosexuals/people of color. If a "God" made homosexuals and people of color, I see no reason why he would want us to hate them.

Take Christians, for example. 90% of Christians these days don't even know what the fuck the bible is trying to say to them, they just interpret it in ways that fit their own agendas. Any Christian that supported or supports the war in Iraq is a good example of this. Jesus himself preached "turn the other cheek." When your enemy attacks you, you don't respond by attacking back, you turn the other cheek. Otherwise you're just fanning the flames. Any Christian that supports the war is going completely against the teachings of Jesus, whether or not he was the son of God.

I personally don't think anyone has it quite right, yet. I don't think humans can ever really reach that point with religion, because people will always be biased and fit their religion to their own personal beliefs. Honestly, if I HAD to pick someone who has it right right now, it would probably be Buddhists. I don't practice it myself, yet, and I'm not sure that I ever will, but I've learned more about living a good life from learning about Buddhism than I ever did from Christianity. Buddhism is a much much more personal religion. Buddha himself taught that you should never accept a teaching that you can't verify yourself with personal experience, and that until you know yourself, you can never know anything else.

If you don't know about Buddhism or the teachings of Buddha, I would highly suggest you do a bit of reading about it, even if you're a completely different religion, there's a lot to be gained just from learning what this guy had to say. He was truly wise.

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I would just like to add, not just Buddhism, but eastern religions in general seem to have the right idea. In my opinion, they are vastly superior to the religions we're all familiar with.

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Posted 2007-09-07, 09:25 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I think it's more like we'll tell you..."
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I would just like to add, not just Buddhism, but eastern religions in general seem to have the right idea. In my opinion, they are vastly superior to the religions we're all familiar with.
Christopher Hitchens seems to have done away with that fallacy, at least in my mind.
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Posted 2007-09-07, 09:30 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Christopher Hitchens seems to have done..."
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Christopher Hitchens seems to have done away with that fallacy, at least in my mind.
How do you mean? Care to elaborate?
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Posted 2007-09-07, 09:32 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "How do you mean? Care to elaborate?"
Well, not at the moment. I'm only on the computer for 2 or 3 more minutes. I reccomend checking out God is not Great: How Religion Posions Everything by Hitchens.
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Posted 2007-09-07, 11:00 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, not at the moment. I'm only on..."
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Posted 2007-09-07, 11:24 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "Sounds almost, anti-christ"
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Sounds almost, anti-christ
Hitchens isn't original. Recently there's been a surge of such books. 2005 there was Harris, the first big anti-religion book in this day and age. 2006 we had Harris again, and Dawkins (the best one in my opinion) as well. Hitchens came out this year. Of course before Harris there was Smith, and then there were the big names like B. Russel, Huxley, Hume, Spinoza, etc. That isn't even getting into the ancient Greeks. I haven't read the Smith book or anything by Huxley, Hume and Spinoza. I've only read one book by Russel. Hitchens isn't the anti-christ by any means. He's just continuing what was started a long time ago.

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Considering the enormous number of books I have not read, I don't deserve such an honor. Even sarcastically.
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Posted 2007-09-07, 11:07 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, not at the moment. I'm only on..."
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