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Posted 2007-10-10, 04:39 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "Yep, that's a valid concern... ...if..."
Hillary has the greatest chance of winning currently.
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Posted 2007-10-10, 05:04 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Hillary has the greatest chance of..."
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Hillary has the greatest chance of winning currently.
I may have been wrong in my previous statement, but I'm still not believing that the country will elect a woman at this point.

Although I guess there may be enough Bush backlash that many people are aiming to elect someone who is opposite of Bush in every way.
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Posted 2007-10-11, 06:40 AM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "I may have been wrong in my previous..."
She has the greatest chance by people that voice their opinions on POLLS. People don't seem to understand that these polls are NOT 100% correct, the majority of people that voice their opinions all day every day are the same people that protest everything, file lawsuits for everything, and are generally in the "Hilary Clinton" bandwagon.














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Posted 2007-10-11, 07:09 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "She has the greatest chance by people..."
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People don't seem to understand that these polls are NOT 100% correct, the majority of people that voice their opinions all day every day are the same people that protest everything, file lawsuits for everything, and are generally in the "Hilary Clinton" bandwagon.
I think you have a general misunderstanding of how these polls are run...
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Posted 2007-10-11, 07:17 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I think you have a general..."
Well, as soon as you can prove to me otherwise i'm going to keep my opinions out there, as you do.


You can claim that Hilary has the best chance, when all you are going off is that she has raised the most money and has been posted on CNN (highly liberal) the most. They are obviously posting about and posting false polls the most. Obama doesn't accept money from lobbyists as Clinton does.

Hillary Clinton is pro-immigration, pro-NAFTA, pro-outsourcing, most democrats do not know that, and she is on her way right up to the presidency.

As for the polls most of them are conducted with fixed phone lines as one of the various ways they conduct them, and the fixed lines are not going to be had by most of the youthful voters, and if they do, they are conducted in the early morning, THAT BEING SAID, the only people at home during the morning are in the "older" category, and what a great thing! Because most of Hilary's supporters are in the older category. Polls mean nothing today because they represent conventional methods of measuring support.

Hiliary can't win the general election, and Obama is just standing in the way of either Edwards or Biden moving forward to challenge Clinton. Also remember, Greenspan called Bill Clinton the best REPUBLICAN president he's worked for. That should be a hint folks. She's pro NAFTA and outsourcing and in the lobbyists pockets. Also, earlier in the year when I was trying to find out where the candidates stood on the issues she had nothing on healthcare other than that she wanted to insure Children. The candidates wouldn't even be discussing Universal Healthcare is John Edwards hadn't made it an issue.














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Posted 2007-10-11, 08:41 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "Well, as soon as you can prove to me..."
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Well, as soon as you can prove to me otherwise i'm going to keep my opinions out there, as you do.
Well, first of all I would suggets looking into how these polls are actually carried out. It's not simply newspaper polls and people who file lawsuits as you claim. I really have no intention or desire to prove it to you. You're entitled to whatever opinion you want to have on the topic. But if you believe that these are merely newspapers polling those who are politically active you are horrifically uninformed.

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You can claim that Hilary has the best chance, when all you are going off is that she has raised the most money and has been posted on CNN (highly liberal) the most.
Well, CNN along with Gallup, Ramussen, AP-Ipsos, ABC News, Washington Post, CBS News, Reuters, Zogby, Pew, Cook, RT Strategies, Fox NBC, WSJ, USA Today, and Quinnipac just to name a few. I'm going with the fact that she has the best chance with what the polls report. Again, you claim that the polls don't represent the constituency adequately, whereas most of these groups go through painstaking efforts to make sure they do just that.

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They are obviously posting about and posting false polls the most.
Yea. They all made up the same numbers.

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Obama doesn't accept money from lobbyists as Clinton does.
His loss. It will reflect in the polls. And the election.

The best evidence for polls is their frightening accuracy. It's not hard to find polls from 2006, 2004, 2000, 1996, or 1992. Those are just the ones I checked for. I'm sure you could go further back.

Of course, I checked only exit polls. The political climate will undoubtedly change from now until 2008. All I'm saying, with the massive spread Hillary has now, she has the best chance of winning.
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