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Posted 2007-10-26, 06:28 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "School uniforms tend to be pretty..."
Unless you force people to stop being morons, then they'll carry on. In a case like this, the best option is to strip people of their individuality. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that American schools don't have set uniforms to begin with.

Why is a uniform a punishment? If you're using that argument, then how different is it from a dress code in an office?

If people went to be arses and bully over fashion, then they can do it out of school and during the weekends.

And if uniforms are too much for a society dictated by names, then why not impose a dress code instead? Collared shirt/blouse, trousers or skirts, proper shoes, no branding allowed on any? It allows a certain degree of individuality that people seem to crave, but at the same time it solves the problem of 'fashion'. Oscar Wilde summed fashion up with his statement, "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable, that we feel the need to change it every six months". If people wear clothes that are not branded, then not only does it cost less initially, but they don't need to change it every time some higher up decides the country needs a new look, and, more importantly, people can't look at you, decide thta you're wearing last weeks, out-of-season tack, and jump you for doing so.
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Posted 2007-10-26, 06:55 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Unless you force people to stop being..."
It's kinda hard to find unbranded clothing out there, from what I can see. A lot of schools here in San Diego have moved to uniforms (my Middle School was one) and Dress Codes are always in effect in schools in America, really.

Honestly, people will find something else to do this over as there's some incessant desire for most people I meet to prove themselves better than you in any way they can. It just so happens to be that they're into flaunting the fact that they spend so much money on clothes at the moment.
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Posted 2007-10-27, 11:04 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Unless you force people to stop being..."
Lenny said:
Unless you force people to stop being morons, then they'll carry on. In a case like this, the best option is to strip people of their individuality. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that American schools don't have set uniforms to begin with.

Why is a uniform a punishment? If you're using that argument, then how different is it from a dress code in an office?

If people went to be arses and bully over fashion, then they can do it out of school and during the weekends.

And if uniforms are too much for a society dictated by names, then why not impose a dress code instead? Collared shirt/blouse, trousers or skirts, proper shoes, no branding allowed on any? It allows a certain degree of individuality that people seem to crave, but at the same time it solves the problem of 'fashion'. Oscar Wilde summed fashion up with his statement, "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable, that we feel the need to change it every six months". If people wear clothes that are not branded, then not only does it cost less initially, but they don't need to change it every time some higher up decides the country needs a new look, and, more importantly, people can't look at you, decide thta you're wearing last weeks, out-of-season tack, and jump you for doing so.
I'm not going to put my response in paragraph form for the most part, because I'm not feeling very eloquent and I just woke up.

Why uniforms are a punishment - It forces everyone to be like everyone else and lose their individuality. This can be a pretty bad thing since school is when most people try to find their identity.

How a uniforms differ from dress code - Dress codes offer much more room for comfort and choice than uniforms do. Students can still personalize their clothing, be comfortable, and still be appropriate for school.

If uniforms aren't good then use dress code instead - I would say that most schools in America have a dress code. Every school I've been to did.
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Posted 2007-10-27, 11:20 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I'm not going to put my response in..."
The dress code can't really cover brand names because it's honestly hard as absolute BALLS to find some clothing without brand names plastered all over it.

As I said, I don't like uniforms, but dress codes can't really address the issue, thus it would become 'Uniforms or stop being asshats'.
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Posted 2007-10-27, 12:02 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "The dress code can't really cover brand..."
Try punishing the kids that do it, then, and not everyone that doesn't.
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Posted 2007-10-27, 12:46 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Try punishing the kids that do it,..."
Yep, because it works that easily. You should remember how things like that work...
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