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Posted 2008-05-05, 03:37 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "I choose to believe because man cannot..."
Einstein was an atheist for most of his life (or a type of person who is "neutral" about religion, or can't prove god exists and can't prove god exists) up to a point in his science career when he realized that the universe (he looked at religion in a cosmic sense) could not exist without some Hierarchy or order governing the things existant in it. That's when he came to the conclusion that god did exist, or at least some sort of supernatural being or system.
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Posted 2008-05-05, 03:43 PM in reply to Wallow's post starting "Einstein was an atheist for most of his..."
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Einstein was an atheist for most of his life (or a type of person who is "neutral" about religion, or can't prove god exists and can't prove god exists) up to a point in his science career when he realized that the universe (he looked at religion in a cosmic sense) could not exist without some Hierarchy or order governing the things existant in it. That's when he came to the conclusion that god did exist, or at least some sort of supernatural being or system.
Einstein vehemently denied the existence of any sort of anthropomorphic God through his whole life. Where did you hear otherwise?
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Posted 2008-05-05, 03:53 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Einstein vehemently denied the..."
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Einstein vehemently denied the existence of any sort of anthropomorphic God through his whole life. Where did you hear otherwise?
Some accurate sources. Maybe you're taking his quotes a little too literally and maybe you should take them a bit more symboligically (like the bible). No offense by the way

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Posted 2008-05-05, 03:55 PM in reply to Wallow's post starting "Some accurate sources. Maybe you're..."
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Some accurate sources. Maybe you're taking his quotes a little too literally and maybe you should take them a bit more symboligically (like the bible). No offense by the way
Reliable sources...kay.

I have read a lot on and of Einstein...I'm not misinterpreting. This is not quotes I'm going off of. The whole point of this post was to put his quotes in context...

Maybe you missed it.

And what am I misinterpreting from the bible? When it says that you should stone your kids for adultery, quite dictatorially, how else should I interpret that?
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Posted 2008-05-05, 03:58 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Reliable sources...kay. I have read..."
I can see your point of view. I don't stress people's opinions though, since it is hopeless unless they see things with their own eyes, not through someone else's.
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Posted 2008-05-05, 03:56 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Einstein vehemently denied the..."
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html

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It is however, interesting how he arrived at that conclusion. In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn't like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. He said this was one of the worst mistakes of his life. Of course, the results of Edwin Hubble confirmed that the universe was expanding and had a beginning at some point in the past. So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God:

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"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."
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It is the second part of the quote that reveals the reason Einstein rejected the existence of a personal God. Einstein compared the remarkable design and order of the cosmos and could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?
All very, very excellent points from Einstein...














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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:04 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics..."
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And what am I misinterpreting from the bible? When it says that you should stone your kids for adultery, quite dictatorially, how else should I interpret that?
Where does it say that? Also, I agree that these "poetic" quotes are taken too literally.














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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:10 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "Where does it say that? Also, I agree..."
Much of everything in this world is taken too literally. Whole religions have been based on taking the bible too literally. But I won't go in depth on that.

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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:15 PM in reply to Wallow's post starting "Much of everything in this world is..."
I think you misunderstood what D3V was saying there, Why.
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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:18 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "Where does it say that? Also, I agree..."
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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:11 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics..."
I'm sorry, but after reading through that I must say it's full of trivializations, distortions, and exaggerations. I have 2 consecutive exams coming up, so I don't have time to elaborate, but in general I would be weary of apologist websites. I mean, this site actually denies evolution. I'm sorry, but when my job involves me working in a laboratory where the basic principles of what I'm doing simply would not work if evolution was false renders me incapable of having any bit of patience for these morons.
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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:18 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I'm sorry, but after reading through..."
Who says my sources are from apologetic websites? You judge people too easily, MJ.
"How easy it is to judge rightly after one sees what evil comes from judging wrongly"
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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:20 PM in reply to Wallow's post starting "Who says my sources are from apologetic..."
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Who says my sources are from apologetic websites? You judge people too easily, MJ.
"How easy it is to judge rightly after one sees what evil comes from judging wrongly"
Clearly that was a response to D3V. You reply to posts too hastily, Why.
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Posted 2008-05-05, 04:21 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Clearly that was a response to D3V. You..."
Touche, but you said Morons, not moron...
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