[Skurai] High's "Rush Limbaugh" club!

So you believe that humans at one time lived for hundreds of years? You believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old, and humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time, even though science tells us that is completely incorrect? You believe a human was swallowed by a large fish and survived for days inside of the fish?

I can see arguments for reading between the lines and taking things from the bible, but unless you completely throw logic and facts out of the window I don't see how you can think the bible is a true story.

Aging is related to telomeres. It's entirely possible that in the distant past they were longer or better preserved. As for the age of the Earth, if God created Adam as a man (rather than an infant), why is it a stretch to assume that God also created the Earth with age? Alternately, the creation story is a poem shown to be full of alternate meaning; perhaps it is better to take it not-so-literally. Even so, I believe that Adam was the first man and the geneology is accurate. You find it hard to believe that a God capable of creating both time and space is capable of sustaining a single man's life for 3 days in a fish?

I find it hard to believe that such a God exists in the first place, the extension of that fact is not the issue.

Aging is related to telomeres. It's entirely possible that in the distant past they were longer or better preserved. As for the age of the Earth, if God created Adam as a man (rather than an infant), why is it a stretch to assume that God also created the Earth with age? Alternately, the creation story is a poem shown to be full of alternate meaning; perhaps it is better to take it not-so-literally. Even so, I believe that Adam was the first man and the geneology is accurate. You find it hard to believe that a God capable of creating both time and space is capable of sustaining a single man's life for 3 days in a fish?

Sounds like a check mate. K_A's only reaction being "But it's not, so ha!", more-or-less.

Yes, I do believe that. I also believe the story of "giant beasts" being "slain by angels". Also known as Dinosaurs going extinct.

Sounds like a check mate.

Call it what you want, kid.

As for the age of the Earth, if God created Adam as a man (rather than an infant), why is it a stretch to assume that God also created the Earth with age?

I've never actually heard of, or thought about this analogy before and it's quite interesting. It's kind of like the holy trinity being referred to as water given that is has three states: gas, liquid and a solid. Clever, but accurate? Who knows.

Even so, I believe that Adam was the first man and the geneology is accurate.

What genealogy could you find to trace Adam throughout time to I suppose, Jesus that isn't credited to some geocities type-website from a religious fundamentalist author? I mean, if you want to read the bible it gives no actual chronological times to specifically pinpoint what has taken place. You honestly can't say the genealogy is correct, when stating your source is as credible as Wikipedia.

Unless you claim that God created all of the different races 6000 years ago, the ideas that Adam and Eve are the "first generation" and that the Earth is only 6000 years old are mutually exclusive. It is not possible for all of the different races to have developed over the course of 6000 years, and we've got fossil proof of humans having existed more than 6000 years ago, before Adam and Eve were supposedly manifested. It isn't as if the only human fossils we find are 6000 or less years old. Hell, the word "fossil" generally refers to things older than 10,000 years, which according to the Bible is before God created mankind.

It's a ridiculous argument, which is why I'm not really bothering to argue against it. There's no "check mate" here, it's more like "if you accept these absurd things to be true then no rational argument will persuade you anyway so whatever." Science and the Bible conflict severely when it comes to the age of the Earth. The only way you can claim that the Bible is correct (by literal interpretation) is if you claim that Science is wrong, and vice versa. The only way people have been able to reconcile the two in any rational way is by not taking the Bible literally as fact.

Well, a few thousand years of incest will likely make people look different (different "races" per-say), and the Tower of Babel could have easily separated people by looks. Thus, races were created.

Also, I believe there was a man in the bible who had four children, all a different color, all from the same mother.

Well, a few thousand years of incest will likely make people look different (different "races" per-say), and the Tower of Babel could have easily separated people by looks. Thus, races were created. Also, I believe there was a man in the bible who had four children, all a different color, all from the same mother.

"if you accept these absurd things to be true then no rational argument will persuade you anyway so whatever."

Words

Do you read Harry Potter and litearlly intrepret it as fact Skurai?

What genealogy could you find to trace Adam throughout time to I suppose, Jesus that isn't credited to some geocities type-website from a religious fundamentalist author?.

1. God
2. Adam
3. Seth
4. Enosh
5. Cainain
6. Mahalalel
7. Jared
8. Enoch
9. Methuselah
10. Lamech
11. Noah
12. Shem
13. Arphaxad
14. Cainan
15. Shelah
16. Eber
17. Peleg
18. Reu
19. Serug
20. Nahor
21. Terah
22. Abraham
23. Isaac
24. Jacob
25. Judah
26. Pharez
27. Hezron
28. Ram
29. Amminadab
30. Nahshon
31. Salmon
32. Boaz
33. Obed
34. Jesse
35. David
36. Nathan
37. Mattatha
38. Menna
39. Melea
40. Eliakim
41. Jonam
42. Joseph
43. Judah
44. Simeon
45. Levi
46. Matthat
47. Jorim
48. Eliezer
49. Joshua
50. Er
51. Elmadam
52. Cosam
53. Addi
54. Melchi
55. Neri
56. Shealtiel
57. Zerubbabel
58. Rhesa
59. Joanan
60. Joda
61. Josech
62. Semein
63. Mattathias
64. Mahath
65. Naggai
66. Hesli
67. Nahum
68. Amos
69. Mattathias
70. Joseph
71. Jannai
72. Melchi
73. Levi
74. Matthat
75. Heli
76. Mary & Joseph
77. Jesus

EDIT: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...38&version=NIV

1. God 2. Adam 3. Seth 4. Enosh 5. Cainain 6. Mahalalel 7. Jared 8. Enoch 9. Methuselah 10. Lamech 11. Noah 12. Shem 13. Arphaxad 14. Cainan 15. Shelah 16. Eber 17. Peleg 18. Reu 19. Serug 20. Nahor 21. Terah 22. Abraham 23. Isaac 24. Jacob 25. Judah 26. Pharez 27. Hezron 28. Ram 29. Amminadab 30. Nahshon 31. Salmon 32. Boaz 33. Obed 34. Jesse 35. David 36. Nathan 37. Mattatha 38. Menna 39. Melea 40. Eliakim 41. Jonam 42. Joseph 43. Judah 44. Simeon 45. Levi 46. Matthat 47. Jorim 48. Eliezer 49. Joshua 50. Er 51. Elmadam 52. Cosam 53. Addi 54. Melchi 55. Neri 56. Shealtiel 57. Zerubbabel 58. Rhesa 59. Joanan 60. Joda 61. Josech 62. Semein 63. Mattathias 64. Mahath 65. Naggai 66. Hesli 67. Nahum 68. Amos 69. Mattathias 70. Joseph 71. Jannai 72. Melchi 73. Levi 74. Matthat 75. Heli 76. Mary & Joseph 77. Jesus EDIT: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...38&version=NIV

And even if we assume that the Bible is correct, it is highly contradictory. In fact, here is a list of 456 specific things that the Bible contradicts itself on. The only "facts" used are passages straight from the Bible which you can check for yourself.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

This is a great website; Hebrews 7:3
"Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God," was Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

There is no afterlife, no god. No reward or punishment.

Why do the religious types use such a harsh guilt system. They make it seem that if you don't go to church and preach their beliefs, then you're a bad person. That's what most non-knowing believe, we feel that people shouldn't be made to feel guilty over having a different opinion. That's at least why I fight so vehemently

You fail to see that contradictions in a story are a problem. Contradictions in real life are constant. If I asked, "Who was the president of the United States", there would be 43 contradicting answers - all of them correct.

Err... no.

If you contradict something, you deny the truth of it and instead preach the opposite to the statement as gospel.

If I say "George Washington" and you say "Abe Lincoln", we're not contradicting each other - both answers are correct, as both are truth.

If you say "Contradiction is someone giving a correct answer to a question and someone then giving another correct answer" and I say "Contradiction is denying the truth of a statement", then that is contradiction.

Get it?

that isn't credited to some geocities type-website from a religious fundamentalist author?.

1. God 2. Adam 3. Seth 4. Enosh 5. Cainain 6. Mahalalel 7. Jared 8. Enoch 9. Methuselah

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that isn't credited to some geocities type-website from a religious fundamentalist author?

that isn't credited to some geocities type-website from a religious fundamentalist author?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...38&version=NIV

That website is using the Bible as its source. The Bible was written by religious fundamentalists. So was that website. My hair is a bird, your argument is invalid.