Round 2! Seymour vs. Sigma

Also, I am not too sure if the Mortibody can actually be there in the field without Seymour. (While Anima is out there fighting.)

Mortibody completely relies on Seymour, it would even drain life from Seymour when it is hurt significantly. Also, isn't Moribody just a flying machine? (For that reason, I doubt that it can act on its own. Or it will perform rather poorly without Seymour's aid.)

Anima itself won't put forth much of a threat to Sigma. Pain is ineffective to Sigma, and Sigma can just beat Anima in his normal (size) form. More agile, easier to avoid damage. Sigma has different weapons, Light Saber, Death Scythe, Laser Beam, Homing missiles, and he can fly. Do not forget that Valguader will also be around, breathing out deadly fire and ice...(Fire and Ice....reminds me of Chocobo Hot and Cold...).

(Fire and Ice....reminds me of Chocobo Hot and Cold...)

...that's an awfully random thing to think.

And this was a point I was hoping someone else would bring up earlier, but no one has, so I suppose I'll throw my two cents in.

Someone mentioned earlier that Seymour could use X's tactic of learning Sigma's patterns and then forming a strategy around them. Sen, your counter argument was that the only reason Sigma uses a pattern in the games is so we can beat him, and I don't think that's entirely true. Sigma is an artificial intelligence, a highly sophisticated one, but nothing more than zeros and ones at his basest level. He's also extremely calculating and intelligent.

With those apsects of his personality in mind, it's hard to see how Sigma could not act within some sort of pattern. He shows his weak point periodically, and there has to be a reason for that. Maybe he needs to expose his weaknesses in order to cool down his circuitry, or to recharge certain parts of his body. Either way, there must be a reasonable explanation for it, otherwise, why would he expose his weak points at all?

The way I see it is like this: Sigma absolutely must expose his weaknesses in order to attack, or to use certain attacks. Keeping his calculating nature in mind, one would have to assume that he has constructed the most advantageous way of exposing the chinks in his armor and recieving the benefits of doing so while taking minimal risk. That immediately implies that he must be using a pattern of some kind. Otherwise, if his attacks and strategy are all reactionary and improvised, he could find himself dangerously in a position where he had no choice but to expose his weaknesses for a possibly prolonged period of time or at a moment when his opponent was ready to fire off his most powerful attack.

With that said, I can't see any way that Sigma could not attack using some kind of pattern. It could be a very long pattern, and take a long time to go through an entire revolution, but eventually he would have to come full circle. That is where Seymour's advantage lies.

There is something I want to point out though. It is true that Sigma is a robot, and not entirely a living machine, but throughout the series we see that Reploids (Mavericks) have so sort of self-learning system inside, so they are not entirely machanical, either.

And I agree that Sigma will attack in a pattern, but it will be a more selective pattern. For instance, if the first time he attacks from Position X, when the pattern repeats itself, he doesn't have to attack from Position X, but Y, or wherever he chooses to. While he will use the same kind of attack, but there will be variations.

Sigma's advantage lies in...Seymour is mainly a spell-caster. Is it possible for Seymour to avoid everything while he is casting spell? Casting spell would take time, and it requires concentration. Of course, he can choose to fight in close range, but Sigma is very capable of melee battle himself.

I havnt read everything i mainly skimed the post.
Well here a few thing i wanted to say.
Summon do take lot of concetration and some time to cast.
For spells i beleive it should be based on how skilled the caster is and the level of the spell. Here is an example of what im saying.

In Chrono Trigger
Crono and Magus both have Lightning 2.
Magus being more skilled in Magic would cast faster and deal more damage then Crono.
Also it should take less time for Magus to cast Lightning 2 then Dark Matter.

There level of the Spell should also been taken into account.
Let s take Vivi from FF9. True he is a wondeful and extremly skilled Sepllcaster ! But in a Zelaron Melee i doubt it should be instant for him to cast Doomgaze ! While Meteor is also a strong Spell Vivi got with his skills it wouldnt be instant but yet wouldnt be long to cast

Well Raziel let me know if you disagree with any of this.

So Seymour being mostly a above average Spellcaster and a ok melee(i think) would be good at casting his spell but nothing exeptional.
From what i seen Seymour isnt strong on the magical resist side but more on the physical def. and that would give the advantage to Seymour over sigma. Anima look more as a pokemon then anything else yet it still could do damage(minimal maybe but still dmg) and would give time to Seymour to understand more Sigma attack pattern.

No...in FFX, Seymour actually has good magic defense, and his physical defense is not high.

Pain will do minor damage, like, chip damage, if it cannot cause an instant kill. I doubt that Anima would last long enough to execute the overdrive.

Also, mortibody will drain life from Seymour when it is destroyed, so it can be used by Sigma as one of the ways to hurt Seymour.

From what i see his Physical def is 180 and magic def 100 in ffx so in Zelaron melee his physical def. would be classed high and magic def. average.

I see, so his physical defense is actually higher than magic defense. But that does not mean his physical defense is actually high. In FFX, the max possible def is 255, so 180 is around...~70%? While his magic def. is actually quite low.

I think in all FF starting at 6 and higher they have a stats cap of 255. So i would think that 180 is high cause if any char would reach 255 in stats it would be by using items that boost stats perm. and it would be considered godly/legendary as none of the FF char ever naturaly(without item use) reach close to the cap.

Sen, you are absolutely right. The Mortibody NEEDS Seymour to live. It is a part of him. But, it is long enough to stretch itself in order to be able to attack. Or maybe it could use DEesperado.

Seymour's physical strength has always been higher than his magical strength.(bizarre isn't it?) But with his Lance of Atrophy, he could easilly knock around Sigma.

Say Sigma hides his core. He flees into the walls. Seymour and the Mortibody, and Anima if he wanted, could dispose of his parts that attack Seymour. Seymour could also blow apart the Funhouse with Ultima and Total Anihilation.

Regarding Sigma learning Seymour's strategy, it might be a possibility. Though Seymour would not continuely repeat the same moves. He has his own attacks, plus the Mortibody's attacks. Put these in different variations, and there is no way Sigma could predict Seymour's moves.

Seymour can fly as I stated before. Should Sigma flee into the Funhouses structure, and the opposition from Sigma's parts be to much, he could fly away. Bye bye Sigma.

Should Sigma teleport into the air and attack Seymour, Seymour's Protect is still on. Sigma would have probably one strike before Seymour was aware of his presence.


Seymour is victorious.

Sigma doesn't have to predict Seymour moves, once he has used it, Sigma will know what it is next time he executes it.

I don't want to drag on, seeing that nothing new is being said.

Close this and open another battle, this had last for 8 days already.

Hmmmmm. COWARD!

Yeah close it and declare Seymour the victor.

I would love to close it, but Uncapped and I aren't agreeing on a victor, and Titus has yet to respond. Just start posting in Kuja vs. Ayame already! It's got one fucking post in it!

Alright, I'll close it, for I am sending over my decision to Raziel right now!

Sorry for the delay, everyone! If you will all please make your way to the Bracket Thread, you will be afforded the privelege of basking in the warm glowing, warming glow of the winner's announcement! Hurry!