wooohooo ive started my V/t!

Hey here's a question... I know a lot of stuff doesn't add to smite as far as damage goes and I know traditionally people max fanatacism for the IAS and damage (the ar is useless to smite really). But do other auras work in conjunction with smite as far as added damage goes if you can make the 6fps breakpoint another way? Say for instance.....holy freeze or holy shock instead of fanatacism?

um i think concentration but dont pin me to it lol

while concentration would work fanat is much better because it gives ias and alot more damage. and unless i am mistaken smite is uninteruptable and so you would not gain any thing from using concentration except less damage. as far as holy freeze and shock go i dont think that they add thier damage to smite, but i am not sure on that once.

Awsome, have fun having a 1k dmg melee attack or ww. Zon's don't have enough res to begin with to be any problem. Necros can go full sorb but itll fuck up their build, and make them slow as fuck. Also note that the shields i Use come with a +xx to resists as it is. Also remember that the paladin has a charge attack. He can blindly charge through all that shit while any other char class has to tele. Sure any other class could negate the sorcs attack, but very few could catch up to them.

As a side note, I rarely have to use this setup. Usually a raven , snowclash and max res will do.

Holy freeze smiters are incredibly bm, and people hate them. In smite vs smite dueles, if holy freeze gets turned on, I guarentee you the guy will go back and get some of his own bm gear on, or get another char and nk you.

With using fanat, you gain many advantages. You gain the AR. Believe it or not, this is somewhat important on a v/t. When charging someone, you still need that ar to hit. Again, it's not a big diff but its a help. It also adds to your charge dmg when you're wacking those bitchead lidless chars. IMHO, if you are not using fanat as your main aura, you must have a beast. That will give you it's own lvl 9 fanat. Not as good as the lvl 30 that I use, but meh!

There is a case in which I see holy shock working. If you made a v/T instead of a V/t, as holy shock is an foh synergy. Since smite is your secondary move, you wont be relying on it too much anyway. But to do this, you need to have a slightly different gear setup then mine, to do more foh dmg. Remember though, holy shock dmg is elemental, and since that is so, it can be sorbed and resisted. And since they know you're more foh then smite, they probably will be pumping up the lite res as it is.

Hope that helped, I just woke up :X, might not be makign sence yet.

Concintration = no no. I checked, at level 20 fanat has more dmg.

Incredibly BM yes. Though I never understood really why HF was considered BM when few other "broken" and abused skills are as well, especially given its just a normal skill rather than some strange item beast-type item adding another aura or....the often used enigma teleport (which is also considered BM in some circles I know). But thats a debate I'm not really wanting to go into at this time and its a pretty arbitrary line with a multitude of opinions.

Actually the reason why I'd be thinking of not doing HF (or HS for that matter) the more I think about it was not just the BM thing but also the fact that to synergize it properly and make it effective damage-wise (as opposed to fanatacism that doesn't need the synergy to pump out the damage) would just be far too many points. I'm not sure the slow effect would even be worth it sacrificing that much damage especially when it doesnt affect casting speed among other things...but it'd be a list of pros and cons at that point. Six of one half dozen of another go with something that would get you more respect right? ;-) Besides I already put a pt into concentration to get to fanatacism so I'm committed.

Here's another question since again I've never made a V/t before so my experience is little when it comes to this build. Wouldn't pumping 20 into FoH be better than 10 FoH 10 HS like the guide and so many others suggest? If Im using conviction as the aura for FoH casting and the synergy doesnt give as much damage to the FoH as a "hard point" then why would I pump points at all into it?


(and yes Concentration at level 20 is less damage than Fanatacism at level 20.)

Simple answer, it's the same reason why stacking res is considered bm. It makes people cry. They whine, bitch and moan that their build is now useless. With holy freeze, any character that depends on IAS gets fucked. Personally, it pisses me off when someone holy freezes me, but oh well. To me anything goes.

For a V/t, holy freeze isn't really a means of damage. The dmg caused by the aura is minimal and easily negated by the use of snowclash or something. Unless you synergise it of course, but then, I guarentee you you won thave an effected holy freeze, smite, or foh.

The damage for a lvl 12 foh, synergized with a lvl 12 holy shock is 745-837 as checked on my v/t. (I dropped all + skill items on ground). Now check the arreat summit. http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/ski...stoftheheavens . At level 20 foh, you arent even doing the same damage as the level 12 synergized foh. Now add the massive + skills you get from gc's and gear. You will actually do MORE DMG by synergizing foh with an equal level holy shock then if you just maxed foh.

The damage for a lvl 12 foh, synergized with a lvl 12 holy shock is 745-837 as checked on my v/t. (I dropped all + skill items on ground). Now check the arreat summit. http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/ski...stoftheheavens . At level 20 foh, you arent even doing the same damage as the level 12 synergized foh. Now add the massive + skills you get from gc's and gear. You will actually do MORE DMG by synergizing foh with an equal level holy shock then if you just maxed foh.

Agreed with the whine and the ineffective damage part after synergies regarding HF.

I checked on a planner that's always been accurate for me in the past and it seems the FoH you posted for a 12/12 is a little high....maybe you had a facet still on or something else that added like a charm?

Anyways if i took those 24 pts (from 12 foh and 12 HS) and did FoH 20 and HS 4 instead I still seem to be getting higher than even what you're posting (864-928 with no items or charms). That and synergies only count to "hard points" and not +skills. So a 12 in HS is still a 12 to synergize even if the effective aura is an ungodly 35 after plus skills.

I double checked it on a separate skill calculator in case the program had a bug and its giving me the exact same numbers as follows (only posting foh lit damage for ease of reading):

HS: 12
FoH: 12 (690-781)
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HS: 4
FoH: 20 (864-928)

I don't know. Somehow this seems like the correct numbers to me.

Typo. Meant lvl 13 foh, lv 12 holy shock.

Now check lvl 47 foh with lvl 4 holy shock. Compare that to lvl 40 foh, and lvl 12 holy shock. There should be a difference, if not the guide that blck made needs to be modified.

Typo. Meant lvl 13 foh, lv 12 holy shock. Now check lvl 47 foh with lvl 4 holy shock. Compare that to lvl 40 foh, and lvl 12 holy shock. There should be a difference, if not the guide that blck made needs to be modified.

Good call. I played around with it some more. Turns out once you get to a +18 to skills point the 12-12 overtakes the 20-4 in damage and that discrepancy increases the higher you go. I'm sure that number may be slightly fluid depending on exactly how many points you are able to allocate to those skills but perhaps a note should be made in the guide because poorer players who won't be able to afford as many skill charms would be better served making it the other way and maxing FoH while richer players (or those who are willing to suffer until they can make it to +18) will want to do a 12-12. Simple mathematics if I had stopped to think about how synergies work exactly.

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