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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:22 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "My gut feeling told me to kill someone..."
laugh all you want. Kerry would just try to negotiate with the terrorists, and then they'd attack us anyway and he'd go "Well, we did all we could." JFK would be spinning in his grave if Kerry was to be prez.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:24 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "laugh all you want. Kerry would just..."
He's spinning in his grave at the moment because of Bush making a mockery of what it is to be preisdent.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:24 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "laugh all you want. Kerry would just..."
UNfortunatly, more people at this point want peace, and will probably go with him.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:26 PM in reply to Slim's post starting "He's spinning in his grave at the..."
Ok, why is John Kerry the better choice? Can you give me cold hard evidence that John Kerry could help our country? Shit, I'm sure JFK would prefer Bush over Kerry any day.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:26 PM in reply to Sovereign's post starting "UNfortunatly, more people at this point..."
I don't even know why this war is still going on. All we did was bomb the hell out of a country on a speculation, totally pointless.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:27 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "laugh all you want. Kerry would just..."
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laugh all you want. Kerry would just try to negotiate with the terrorists, and then they'd attack us anyway and he'd go "Well, we did all we could." JFK would be spinning in his grave if Kerry was to be prez.
Honestly, all you know about Kerry is what you've read. Many of the papers you will read are biased, and blindly following a gut feeling that Kerry will sell out simply exemplifies immaturity. I'll keep my mind open to that possibility, but I'm not going to base my opinion of a man on what I think he might do.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:27 PM in reply to Slim's post starting "I don't even know why this war is still..."
I was supportive when he went in at first. But now, im starting to agree. Get the fuck out. There is no more point to stay. Appoint some govnt, and LEAVE
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:28 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Honestly, all you know about Kerry is..."
Yeah, and what we read about Bush isn't biased? Seriously, no matter what you read is going to be biased. I have read things about Kerry from independant sources.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:28 PM in reply to Slim's post starting "He's spinning in his grave at the..."
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He's spinning in his grave at the moment because of Bush making a mockery of what it is to be preisdent.
The founding fathers are spinning in their graves because he's making a mockery of our Bill of Rights with his patriot act.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:28 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Ok, why is John Kerry the better..."
Kagom, MJordan has posted a link telling why Bush flat out sucks several times. I suggest you click it and find out why Kerry would make a better president.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:28 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Yeah, and what we read about Bush isn't..."
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Yeah, and what we read about Bush isn't biased? Seriously, no matter what you read is going to be biased. I have read things about Kerry from independant sources.
Yes, but we've also experienced what Bush has done. I'm basing my decision on facts, not a "gut feeling," as you stated.
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Posted 2004-06-12, 05:29 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "The founding fathers are spinning in..."
I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. The thing is, I'm not pro-Bush, but I prefer Bush over Kerry.
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Posted 2004-06-13, 08:11 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. ..."
I support Kerry, but since I live in Massachusetts, that is to be expected. Due to the electoral system and the fact that Massachusetts will most certainly fall to Kerry, my vote will be nearly useless.

Bush has angered me time and time again as follows:
- tightening laws on abortion rights
- preventing stem cell research for the fighting of disease
- pulling out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty
- failing to participate in the Kyoto treaty negotiations (for global warming management)
- failing to participate in the International War Crimes tribunal negotiations
- lying to the American public about the existance of WMDs
- making it legal to destroy more and more of this nations forests
- appointing people like Gail Norton, Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft (who I can create different lists for)
- making enemies with half the world
- destroying the middle east peace efforts of Carter and Clinton that were close to success
- tax breaks such as estate tax and dividends that are geared primarily toward the rich
- and finally...for bringing religion into government in DIRECT opposition to the principal of separation between church and state which the country was founded on.

I ask you to consider this list before deciding your vote.

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Posted 2004-06-13, 08:15 AM in reply to frickaline's post starting "I support Kerry, but since I live in..."
Yup, bush IS a dumbfuck. It's been well established.
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Posted 2004-06-13, 10:48 AM in reply to frickaline's post starting "I support Kerry, but since I live in..."
Something about tax:

Every year an independant tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the gov't. This year, tax freedom day was on April 11th. That's the earliest it's been since 1991. The latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about these dates? Today (June 9th) Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact:

Both George W. Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his rance in Texas. John Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does this sound right?

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.
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Posted 2004-06-13, 10:54 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. ..."
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I didn't agree with the Patriot Act. The thing is, I'm not pro-Bush, but I prefer Bush over Kerry.
You're settling. I refuse to settle for something as important as the leadership over the most powerful country in the world. Bush, in my eyes, has failed; Kerry has not. I am willing to take a gamble, and a pretty good gamble at that looking at how horridly Bush has failed, on Kerry, instead of settling with another lacklustered four years.
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Posted 2004-06-13, 10:56 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "You're settling. I refuse to settle for..."
Look, I don't agree with the Patriot act, but that's one of the very few things I disagree with when it comes to Bush. I wouldn't trust Kerry at all. I know you don't give a shit about my gut feelings, etc. But I don't think it would be a good gamble at all.
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Posted 2004-06-13, 11:04 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Look, I don't agree with the Patriot..."
Then you're settling.
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Posted 2004-06-13, 12:09 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Something about tax: Every year an..."
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Something about tax:

Every year an independant tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day." This is the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the gov't. This year, tax freedom day was on April 11th. That's the earliest it's been since 1991. The latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special about these dates? Today (June 9th) Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact:

Both George W. Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men. Bush owns only one home, his rance in Texas. John Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame)

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does this sound right?

The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.
lol.

Federal and State taxes are based on income, dude, not property. Please research your information prior to posting and misleading others.

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