monster idea for dexers

maybe you could make a monster that does damage based on if the person has a weapon skill or not. like it would do tons of damage to people or things that dont have archery/fencing/swords/macing and not that much to those who do. you could make it drop pretty decent loot and then dexers could make more money. drags and wws and pets would get owned by it because they dont have a weapon skill. maybe even give it super high resist if you want. you might be able to find an example of this in savage script because they do tons of damage to pets i think, like 4 hits kills almost, but then on people they dont do as much. what do you guys think?

Or you can wear heavy armor and use a slayer weapon.....

" Nerf taming and mages for monsters, I want to be able to make a dexer in a day that can make me tons of cash. "

I think the key to balance would be to have each type of template specialize against certain monsters. As it is, mages/tamers pretty much RULE any PvM. Dexers can kill monsters, but not real strong ones, and not near as quick as a tamer or mage.

Just give certain monsters magic reflection and/or really high resist.

Also if you want to make dexers more useful in pvm, you could have monsters that turn pets against their owners. Like on Autumn Twilight, the Serpentine Dragon would command my wyrm to attack me. If tamers are less potent, dexers can make a difference.

Another suggestion is to make monsters perform paraylize attacks or cast paraylize spell, which would be frustrating for a running mage.

" Nerf taming and mages for monsters, I want to be able to make a dexer in a day that can make me tons of cash. "

you can also make a tamer in a day too bro... i was just giving a suggestion to give the dexers something to hunt cuz they obviously are mad about not having tamers and are too lazy to make one =/

You can powergame anything in one day, a tamer takes far more effort than a dexer. You have to pay for regs to GM magery, taming takes at least 4 hours to GM. BARDS are what are underpowered here, Tamers are fine, bards need to be better for fighting PvM. I've compared, my tamer killing bloods to my friends bard doing the titan spawn. In the time I made 12k he only made 8k. We estimate that after the titan casting bug is fixed it will be about even. It shoulnd't be even, a bard should be better at PvM than a tamer. My dexer can beat the shit out of lich lords and demons, and I'm sure with a blood drinking weapon he can beat blood eles too. Everything is where it should be except for bards.

Everything is where it should be except for bards.

Your opinion, and I sadly disagree. You'll never see a group of dexers kill a boss monster, without a form of taming or magery. Some dungeons even have places where you have teleport over to go further. Not to mention the money you spend on reagants is easily earned back just by saving time on the gate spell, when dexers by themselves have to walk from place to place. You can argue that, but if fighters are even as hunters, how come you aren't using your fighter to earn gold instead of your mage? Obviously, even at the cost of reagants.... you can still grab a lot of them from monsters. Everyone knows that. Is it really disputable?

Sadly, on most RUNUO based shards, being a fighter is a huge crutch.
It's a proven fact this shard is geared towards mages and tamers, so I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. I do admit that fighters in PVP are balanced if they come prepared with traps, potions, and poison. But in PVM, because so many monsters are exactly alike, a few skills dominate the whole hunting experience.

I've watched Dantrag kill a blood faster than my WW and Mare. A dexer can do 50 damage a hit with a slayer katana, which swings 2 times a second at min with 100 dex. That's 300 damage every three seconds. The only thing I know of that does more damage is still a sekret and I can't tell you. =] Never once did you say why I was wrong about bards needing a boost. My dexer makes money slower than my tamer, yes. My mage, no. Tamers are -supposed- to be geared for PvM; however they -can- do other things. What's a bard going to do in PvP, Provoke the dexer to attack him? If you don't think your fighter is good enough for monsters, make a tamer, as Mag said earlier, you can make one in a day.

Bards were never meant for PVP. I'm strictly speaking OSI standards and goals here. My only point was that PVM is not balanced the original way the game was coded. Anyhow, It's Majere's shard, he decides the balance.

Yes I have a tamer. I have a mage. I have a fighter. I have a bard. My account is 25 days old. Sadly the difference in money-accumulation between the skills are well aware to me.

Do you have four characters to make money or something? The reason we have multiple char slots is because it's GIVEN than some chars should be better at things than others.

Do you have four characters to make money or something? The reason we have multiple char slots is because it's GIVEN than some chars should be better at things than others.

I don't expect it to change, so I'm not really complaining about it. Just stating the facts. Obviously you're not comparing your "Balance" to anything but your own personal enjoyment for the game. Not everyone shares your opinion, nor mine, so I use old OSI as an example to why it's not balanced.

Fighters and mages are alternative versions of monster hunters. The balance is screwed because anyone programming server software (ex: RUNUO) always puts in how they would like UO to be. Not how UO was, or *IS*. Many spells are never used on most free servers, because of the reason listed above.

Why use summon pets when they are weak and most monsters have dispel? Why use summon animal when you can go from 50-70 magery in a few minutes? Why does flamestrike do less damage than ebolt most the time and take more mana? You've got to be kidding... you call this BALANCED?

Some people like to be a fighter and hunt without having a disadvantage. That is not possible here. When you've clarified your version of 'Balance', let me know. Because I see no logic to your dispute other than you don't want anything changed except for bards.

nilbog you obviously never played osi... fs does less damage then eb most of time on osi too. i think if you fs someone in full plate then it does like 50+ damage otherwise it doesnt do as much as eb. the only thing dexers are good for is ruining pvp. i cant believe you have a dexer with no magery either thats just sad. shows how much of a gimp you really are.

dexers cant ever be as good as tamers at making money. there sno way to make you as good as a WW unless like raist said you have nice armor and slayer weps but still youll never be able to kill 2 drags at once like a ww can with tamer healing it. its just impossible...

FS = 7th circle = Harder to resist = Play OSI more before making dumb statements.

Btw, wrestling is a combat skill. A combat skill that both PETS and MAGES have :}

FS = 7th circle = Harder to resist = Play OSI more before making dumb statements.

i really hope you didnt say that to me.


and kyuss i said weapon skill not combat skill =/

You guys make yourself look dumb :P

I played 1995-1998, I can't speak for years after, but flamestrike was a stronger spell.

Face it, dexxers won't ever be named Rich Uncle Pennybags. Mules, Tamers, and Bards are and will forever be the money farmers in UO. tsk tsk :}

If every class were equally good at making money, I don't think we'd see hardly any tamers or bards. Few people are on this server to be a PvMer.

Nilbog, you just kinda made yerself look dumb with that statement. UO was publically released in September of 97, which is when my mom started playing. I started a month after that. Even if you're one of those many people who claim that they were in Beta, that only started in early-mid 97. :P

And FS was useful after precasting came back in, during UO:R. Hally hit, then FS usually would redline a person if not kill them.

You guys need to consider that for tamers they need to tame stuff to be effective, and for mages they need to buy expensive regrents to make themselves effective (7-10gp per). Warriors can go hunting with dirt-cheap supplies, especially sinse you can go pick cotton about any time you want, and GOOD magic weapons are in abundant supply.