In need of good UD/Orc strat

I don't understand why you wouldn't put up altar first... The first hero is free, and it's important to have him to creep first.

Was that in reply to me? I always hit and altar and a burrow first. When I get the money. then I start my barracks. Anyway, I need my Spirit Wolves to scout for me anyway.

Yes altar borrow first comes first with orc. Dont need for scout you can tell by the map where abouts your opponents are. Just use your spirit wolves to go to their base and target the hero with them while you micro your hero around. My friend has a HHunter strat which works all the time his level 24. For undead gouls is no thnx just go cyptfiends, easy to micro.

Well, the point of the ghouls is that you can get them FAST. We go for speed, normally, instead of hitting power... That may be our problem.

Also, if we're 2v2-ing on a 6-8 player map, it's kinda necessary to scout while I'm building Trolls.

Ghouls die too quickly. No point using DK death coil on those weaklings. Just have 3 ghouls on wood and that is all.

Ghouls die too quickly. No point using DK death coil on those weaklings. Just have 3 ghouls on wood and that is all.

I know they die easily. When they got my trolls backing, we usually end up doing alright. Of course, this only really works well on small maps though.

So, my friend rolling on UD needs to switch to Fiends? That'll set us behind a little bit, but it may work a bit better. IF he switches to Fiends, should I switch to Gruntapult?

It either you use Headhunters whole game with Tauren or gruntapult dont switch. It will work far better if your friend goes fiends with statues. If he goes fiends go grunt tauren and healers or the bloodlust casters. You both can use ranged if you want, coz your friend can have ABOMS.