In need of good UD/Orc strat

well..im on roc so..i dont know any about tft.. iplayed tft once and it's pretty much the same but i get statues... anyways...2 is enough because while i build up to 12 ghouls i have all the ghouls harvest and i have about 2k to 3k i think..lumber..so it works..and i go to crypt fiend right after and then gargs too for fun like 6 gargs 12 fiends 6 ghouls
dk dl..and i rool with it..but it's roc it might be diff in tft

Didnt know you were on ROC, yes it is different.

volls, if you want to go early game like that youll want sleep over carrion, and use vamp aura for mana reasons. the only way to win with ghouls is sleep surround, they are weak units but they are meant for en masse or early game, my friend and i go huntress ghoul, early game we sleep/entangle and surround and it gets us levels while their heroes rebuild, post a replay if you need anything else, and i can post too

Basically, I'm looking for a good early game rush that will not cost us the game if we lose. Maybe it's our timing on a tp out???

If your thinking about rush with ghouls and watever it really only works against NE. Unless your opponents are real crap. If somone going ghouls then his ally must be human or orc and go tower rush em. Mostly NE opponent it will work.

Dont even use TP unless you really have to, all you guys are just wasting your money.

Well, basically, there's 3 ways our rush goes:

1.) Easy Victory
Usually, we only accomplish this versus opponents teching and/or newbie opponents. Basically, we run in, smash opponent #1 and beat down his ally's troops that were sent in. Then, we smash the ally.

2.) Drawn-out Failure
This is where we attack, and usually run into a similar size force. Since our micro skills are a little lacking, we end up losing most of ours troops and we retreat to town for phase 2. Phase 2 is usually where we get killed, as we usually can't macro very well while on the attack.

3.) Dismal Failure
This is where we rush, and we run into some pros. They either have a similar force or more troops, and great micro. We get smote, retreat, and get smote before phase 2 ever really happens.

I'd like to be able to make more games like #1, and to be able to recover from a #2 effectively. As far as recovering goes, we'll need to practice being faster, that's about it.

Sounds like macro during battle will become something we'll need to practice. So, if he switches to fiends, we'll have a good stage 1 developed?

what level are you?

Well, basically, there's 3 ways our rush goes: 1.) Easy Victory Usually, we only accomplish this versus opponents teching and/or newbie opponents.

There you go newbie opponents or techers. Once you reach a reasonable level none of your rushes will work, you will get out microed or out whatever.

Allanonx do you play 1v1 or 2v2? Yes it might work for you but not all the time. Dont anyone take this the wrong way but how many wins and losses do you have? Its rather close im thinking like 50wins to 40losses....Try 15+ wins for nil (thats hard enough to get on AT) using your guys ghoul/rush strat on AT.

Ghouls really are only good when they have ghoul frenzy.

Orcs are great harassers, just send farseer, cast wolves target hero and micro around their troops, and eventually their hero is on red life or dead. Once that happens run back and regroup your men and then harrass again. This does require micro tho.

Fiends more easier than ghouls to micro coz they have more life and are bigger.

If your thinking about rush with ghouls and watever it really only works against NE. Unless your opponents are real crap. If somone going ghouls then his ally must be human or orc and go tower rush em. Mostly NE opponent it will work. Dont even use TP unless you really have to, all you guys are just wasting your money.

hey pekson.. in roc which is similar to tft, ghouls are great with vamp aura
i usually go with 10 to 12 ghouls against about 3 to 6 enemy units, and i usually win , meanwhile i start pumping fiends and zigs and i micro during the ghoul battle. i get another lvl really quickly and get sleep then. no use getting sleep first practically...