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Posted 2004-10-12, 02:31 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Hahaha. That was ownage."
This thread is bullshit. The American citizens that are criticizing and ridiculing Bush are about as big of flip-floppers as your hero, Mr. Kerry.

If all you morons would so kindly remember back to when America was cowardly attacked on 9/11 and remember all the speeches that Dubya made, I want you to realize that you're all freakin' hypocrites. George Bush stated many, many times that he would retaliate to whoever attacked us AND declare war on terrorism. Everyone was so happy! We're going to bring vengeance upon those bastards that killed our families. Everything was smooth.

Bush actually stood behind what he said(despite Kerry's inconsistent attitude) and attacked Afghanistan. What!?!?!?! He actually meant he was going to attack somebody? Oh shit, why would he do that? Maybe we were wrong about supporting him and his war on terrorism.

We attacked Iraq because they had specific links to Al-Queda. Saddam Hussein is a terrorist who killed his own people and terrorized innocent civilians in many other countries. Remember Kuwait, pinpricks? Yeah, he's a terrorist. Yeah, we're at war with terrorism. PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER, MORONS. Of course, some people are going to die; it's a freakin' war. I'm sorry if one of your friends/relatives has died because of this, but that's life. You Kerry supporters have made up so many excuses as to why we're over there in Iraq. Oil, power, show our strength, war-monger; STICK WITH ONE CONCLUSION. I can't wait to hear the next reason as to why we're in Iraq, I swear one comes up every other week.

You know what? If Gore had been elected in 2000 and we had been attacked, he would have done the same thing as Bush did. Every president would have. You all would be singing the same f*cking song as you are now; making up excuses as to why we're attacking people. It's because we're at war with terrorism. Stand by your country, damn hippies. I'm sick of all you bastards being so hypocritical about everything the Bush administration has promised.
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Posted 2004-10-12, 02:41 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "This thread is bullshit. The American..."


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Posted 2004-10-12, 10:46 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "This thread is bullshit. The American..."
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George Bush stated many, many times that he would retaliate to whoever attacked us AND declare war on terrorism.
Saddam Hussein did not attack us, regardless of how similar his name may sound to "Osama Bin Laden" in your ears.


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Bush actually stood behind what he said(despite Kerry's inconsistent attitude) and attacked Afghanistan.
Yes...and then he diverted attention away from capturing Bin Laden in order to instigate an unneccessary and frivolous war with a completely separate and uninvolved country.


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We attacked Iraq because they had specific links to Al-Queda.
Show me the specific links. You show me where Iraq currently has specific and dangerous links to Al Qaeda. I want sources. Credible ones. As it stands now, the only genuine link between Hussein and Bin Laden is that they hate us and live in the same part of the world.


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Saddam Hussein is a terrorist who killed his own people and terrorized innocent civilians in many other countries. Remember Kuwait, pinpricks?
And it's not our fucking job to go policing other countries. Yeah, he was an asshole, yeah he deserved to be removed from power, but at the expense of our own security and freedom? No. We didn't attack him because he was a terrorist, we attacked him to flex muscle and play the role of "World Cop", like we have been doing unnecessarily for the last fifty years.


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Yeah, he's a terrorist. Yeah, we're at war with terrorism. PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER, MORONS.
Because fighting a war against an idea works so fucking well. Communism still exists, and we've been fighting that idea since the 50's.


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You Kerry supporters have made up so many excuses as to why we're over there in Iraq. Oil, power, show our strength, war-monger; STICK WITH ONE CONCLUSION. I can't wait to hear the next reason as to why we're in Iraq, I swear one comes up every other week.
You know why all of those reasons are still flying around today? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL STILL VALID AND ARE ALL STILL TRUE, YOU FUCKING MORON. We're not limited to picking one reason for abhorring this war and sticking with it when more and more reasons come to the surface every day. I abhor this war for all of those reasons and more simultaneously.


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You know what? If Gore had been elected in 2000 and we had been attacked, he would have done the same thing as Bush did.
I'm absolutely positive that he would have attacked Afghanistan, just like any good president should have. I'm also relatively positive that he would not have dragged us into a war with a completely unrelated country based on assumptions that have been proven 100% and entirely wrong. There were no weapons of mass destruction, Hussein had no capability to produce WMDs, and his resources in that area were actually diminishing over time, not increasing.

He was not a threat to us. He simply didn't like us. If the simple fact that a country doesn't like us is all the explanation we need to give in order to justifiably attack them, then we should have flattened France decades ago.


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I'm sick of all you bastards being so hypocritical about everything the Bush administration has promised.
I'm not being hypocritical in the slightest. I absolutely agree that Hussein was a horrible man and needed to be ousted, but it needed to be done by his own fucking people. It's not impossible, it's been done before by countless nations. Considering the fact that his people didn't do it for, what 30 or 40 years, you'd imagine that they weren't terribly interested in having him removed from power.

But, since we absolutely had to stick our fucking noses in it, we should have done it for the right reasons and by executing the actions in the right way. Bush did neither. He caused the needless deaths of thousands of American lives and even further tarnished the international reputation of this country by randomly and spastically instigating a war based on 100% bullshit.

Pull your head out of your ass.

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Posted 2004-10-14, 07:38 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Saddam Hussein did not attack us,..."
Saddam did not attack us, but I if you don't think that he help to fund terroism or help Al-Queda then you should wake up. It has already been showen that he help Hamas and funded there suicide bombers in Isreal. The links have been proven.

Raziel said:
the only genuine link between Hussein and Bin Laden is that they hate us and live in the same part of the world.
They don't live in the same part of the world, one is in the middle east and one is in asia.

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And it's not our fucking job to go policing other countries. Yeah, he was an asshole, yeah he deserved to be removed from power, but at the expense of our own security and freedom? No. We didn't attack him because he was a terrorist, we attacked him to flex muscle and play the role of "World Cop", like we have been doing unnecessarily for the last fifty years.
Do you know that we are basically the only superpower left in the world? If we don't step in and stop countries before we or our allies are attacked who is going too? France, ohh wait thats right they sold the Iraqies rocket fuel.

I am pretty sure we aren't fight agains communism anymore.

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You know what? If Gore had been elected in 2000 and we had been attacked, he would have done the same thing as Bush did.
I am not sure on that, Gore is really indecsive. He might have been too concerned on the environment to actually have the balls to do something like what Bush did.
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Posted 2004-10-14, 07:48 AM in reply to MightyJoe's post starting "Saddam did not attack us, but I if you..."
Err.. it was I who said that last quote of yours.

The point I was trying to make is this: If we had been attacked, I'm sure that any President would have done close to or exactley like what George Bush did. And all of you nay-sayers would be criticizing him, as well.
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Posted 2004-10-14, 10:47 PM in reply to MightyJoe's post starting "Saddam did not attack us, but I if you..."
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Saddam did not attack us, but I if you don't think that he help to fund terroism or help Al-Queda then you should wake up. It has already been showen that he help Hamas and funded there suicide bombers in Isreal. The links have been proven.
Show me the links. I asked Thanatos for them and he didn't fulfill the request. I don't have to prove to you that the links don't exist, you have to prove to me that they do exist.


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They don't live in the same part of the world, one is in the middle east and one is in asia.
That's the same goddamned continent, you moron!


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Do you know that we are basically the only superpower left in the world? If we don't step in and stop countries before we or our allies are attacked who is going too? France, ohh wait thats right they sold the Iraqies rocket fuel.
The funny thing is we weren't protecting any of our allies when we attacked Iraq, moron. They didn't have the capability to attack anyone else! We weren't protecting our allies, we were policing a foreign country and sticking our noses in to things that were none of our fucking business.


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I am pretty sure we aren't fight agains communism anymore.
Oh. So then that huge stink in North Korea over nuclear weapons was a hallucination I had?

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I am not sure on that, Gore is really indecsive. He might have been too concerned on the environment to actually have the balls to do something like what Bush did.
Bush's "balls" have cost us 120 billion dollars and thousands of American lives. That sure is something to be proud of, let me tell you.
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Posted 2004-10-12, 11:01 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "This thread is bullshit. The American..."
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This thread is bullshit. The American citizens that are criticizing and ridiculing Bush are about as big of flip-floppers as your hero, Mr. Kerry.

If all you morons would so kindly remember back to when America was cowardly attacked on 9/11 and remember all the speeches that Dubya made, I want you to realize that you're all freakin' hypocrites. George Bush stated many, many times that he would retaliate to whoever attacked us AND declare war on terrorism. Everyone was so happy! We're going to bring vengeance upon those bastards that killed our families. Everything was smooth.

Bush actually stood behind what he said(despite Kerry's inconsistent attitude) and attacked Afghanistan. What!?!?!?! He actually meant he was going to attack somebody? Oh shit, why would he do that? Maybe we were wrong about supporting him and his war on terrorism.

We attacked Iraq because they had specific links to Al-Queda. Saddam Hussein is a terrorist who killed his own people and terrorized innocent civilians in many other countries. Remember Kuwait, pinpricks? Yeah, he's a terrorist. Yeah, we're at war with terrorism. PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER, MORONS. Of course, some people are going to die; it's a freakin' war. I'm sorry if one of your friends/relatives has died because of this, but that's life. You Kerry supporters have made up so many excuses as to why we're over there in Iraq. Oil, power, show our strength, war-monger; STICK WITH ONE CONCLUSION. I can't wait to hear the next reason as to why we're in Iraq, I swear one comes up every other week.

You know what? If Gore had been elected in 2000 and we had been attacked, he would have done the same thing as Bush did. Every president would have. You all would be singing the same f*cking song as you are now; making up excuses as to why we're attacking people. It's because we're at war with terrorism. Stand by your country, damn hippies. I'm sick of all you bastards being so hypocritical about everything the Bush administration has promised.

What do you mean flip-floppers? I have never, ever, ever supported Bush. Look back through the threads, it's all there. Secondly, what makes us hypocrites if we neevr agreed with what he said in the start?

Now, terrorism is an idea. Think about it? How do you declare war on an idea? It's not possible. Declaring war on an idea itself would require completely brainwashing people's minds. War on terrorism isn't what's happening, we're warring with people we want to war with. I hadn't heard a damn thing about Saddam in a long time until Bush brought this whole war about. Why is that? And if we're going to fight "terrorism", then their are much bigger threats. Why Saddam? There has to be an ulterior motive. Now, I have never really mentioned why I think we went to Iraq, except I think that Bush just wants to finish up what his father started. I have many more theories, but they are based on my guesses from the facts I have gathered. Now, one death, a thousand deaths, a million deaths, a billion deaths are all alright in war when their is a legitimate purpose, but I have yet to see a legitimate purpose for this war. One single death is unacceptable when you're fighting for a reason that doesn't exist. (I'm talking about Iraq, not Afghanistan)

We didn't attack Iraq because they had specific links to Al-Quaeda, we attacked Iraq because they had weapons of mass destruction. Only one problem. They didn't. Bush only emphasized the fact that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Once that was out, everyone supported him. Now, if Al-qaeda and Iraq were connected, which I want links to, it was still no reason to go to war with a Sovereign nation. Civilian casualties in Iraq far exceed those of 9/11. If a nation as a whole wants to harbor someone, it's not our right to disturb their peace. If you want to bring Osama out of Iraq, do so quietly. Of course, since Osama isn't in Iraq, that defeats the purpose. A war with a nation is completely uncalled for if the sole reason is to oust a group of 500 or so people. And, if that is the case, then I suppose the terrorists are winning? Although Al-qaeda has been weakend, it is still thriving, and Osama is still on the loose. If our purpose in Iraq was really to bring Al-qaeda down, then we ended the war a little early, don't you think? Now, Osama needs to be brought to justice. I agree with the idea. What I disagree with is the tactics that Bush has used. This could have been done in a much better manner. Now, I know some smart ass is going to ask whether or not I could have done it better. Well, I'm going to answer you beforehand. I honestly do believe that I could have done it better.

And as for your last statement, you're absolutely right. If Gore had done all of this, then I would have been sitting here criticizing him instead. Every time I have said Bush, or Dubya in this thread would have been replaced with a Gore.

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Posted 2004-10-12, 11:04 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "What do you mean flip-floppers? I have..."
Ha. Raziel, you and I both had that point about the war on an idea.

Vote Kerry/Edwards - Get complete sentences back into the white house!

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Posted 2004-10-12, 11:45 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Ha. Raziel, you and I both had that..."
Well, it's the truth. You can't fight an idea with bullets. Communism is a perfect example. Naziism is a perfect example. Satanism is a perfect example. People still practice witchcraft today, and a few hundred years ago we were burning those people alive. You can't pysically remove an idea from the consciousness of the human race, it will always be there.

We're not fighting terrorism, we're just murdering people.
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Posted 2004-10-13, 07:10 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Well, it's the truth. You can't fight..."
Man.... That's deep stuff. I gotta remember that so I can say it one day and sound smart.

In all fairness, how many people that were burned in the old days were actually practicing witchcraft?
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Posted 2004-10-13, 10:56 AM in reply to Kuja`s #1's post starting "Man.... That's deep stuff. I gotta..."
lmao why dun you just spray paint "Liberals congregate here" on this thread?
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Posted 2004-10-13, 02:03 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "What do you mean flip-floppers? I have..."
What the fuck ever. This is why this is my first and last post in a political debate. Nobody knows anything about what the fuck is going on, it's pointless to argue about it. Yeah, you can form opinions and whatnot, but you have the comprehension of a two year old Down's Syndrome patient about what the fuck is really happening in Iraq.

I'm not voting, anyway, so I'm going to gladly back out of this shit-infested thread.
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Posted 2004-10-13, 03:00 PM in reply to Thanatos's post starting "What the fuck ever. This is why this..."
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What the fuck ever. This is why this is my first and last post in a political debate. Nobody knows anything about what the fuck is going on, it's pointless to argue about it. Yeah, you can form opinions and whatnot, but you have the comprehension of a two year old Down's Syndrome patient about what the fuck is really happening in Iraq.

I'm not voting, anyway, so I'm going to gladly back out of this shit-infested thread.
TheDominion said:
raqi noncombatant death toll is conservatively 12 000. Less specific figures based on US estimates suggest the deaths of Iraqi soldiers during the invasion, and resistance fighters since, have surpassed 40 000.
The Miami Herald said:
15,000 civilian casualties
Nashua Telegraph said:
there may be 15,000 civilian dead . . .
workers.org[/QUOTE said:
Not a word about civilian casualties in Iraq, which by some estimates are as high as 30,000 dead.
Munster Times said:
Presidential lies resulted in more than 1,000 American troops dead
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US Report Finds Iraqis Eliminated Illicit Arms in 90's
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The original reasons for war; namely, weapons of mass destruction
Iraq's ability to reinstate a nuclear weapon's program had progressively decayed since the first war, and Mr. Duelfer "found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program."

"Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991" -- and Duelfer saw no "credible indications" that the regime had any of these weapons since then, or even sought to acquire the materials needed to make them.

Duelfer's report proves that Iraq wasn't a threat to us as our inept President continues to insist in his inarticulate speeches. The Iraqi regime’s diminished power presented a problem not nearly as grave as those posed by North Korea, Iran and Al Qaeda.

That's all I need to know.
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Posted 2004-10-13, 06:28 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Not a word about civilian casualties in..."
He just served you a slice of key lime pwnage.
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Posted 2004-10-13, 07:22 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post starting "He just served you a slice of key lime..."
Bush rules, tomorrow when I read this entire thread I will explain more.
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