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Im getting sick of all the nintendo handhelds coming out. It took Nintendo too long to get the system right.

Really? I'm pretty sure they got it right from the start. That's why it's the only portable in history to have dominated the last 15 years in the market against superior pieces of technology. The Gameboy Advance alone has sold more units worldwide than all three home consoles combined.

That's supposed to be wrong?

The GBA was the first in this case, the positioning of the hands and the wide screen was great, than they wen tback to the fucking annoying way on the GBA SP. Big hands with the GB, GB color, GB pocket never allowed for easy use with the handhelds and on the GBA the handheld was finally decent enough.

My drummer owns an SP, plays it regularly and his hands are roughly the size of Texas. He never complains about the size of his GameBoy. I think you just like to whine.

It took Nintendo that long to get it right and Sony is on there first try and they already got it right. Plus the nice wide screen, analog pad, the battery that is going to last longer than 2 hours but the n fan is bashing the PSP in any way possible.

The screen is too wide. Have you seen videos of anyone actually playing it? Their fingers slip all over the screen as they're playing.

That analog pad is the worst compromise for a joystick I have ever seen. It's positioned horribly, and it moves parallel to the surface of the screen, which means that it's supported by a jointed arm. That means two very serious issues.

1) Barely any spring resistance. You'll be overstraining the joint constantly because you can't work a very powerful spring into a pad so small.

2) Constant breaks. People are going to be sending their PSPs back by the droves because of broken analog pads. Plastic joints can only take so much punishment.

And in regards to the battery life, I've been reading articles constantly since the announcement of both handhelds, and in many of them, the general consensus is that for graphics-intensive games or titles that require a lot of data streaming, the battery life is between 90 minutes and 2 hours. When playing movies, the battery is 2 hours flat. TGS event staff have confirmed this, Hideo Kojima has said this and even Sony representatives have made mention of it.

What the hell do you mean by reliability?

Nintendo products can be shot out of a cannon and still function properly. It's common knowledge. The same can't be said for a PS2.

I've got plenty of nintendo products and I've never worried about them being reliable.

That's because you don't need to worry.

I do believe the gamegear was pretty amazing compared to the gameboy.

It had superior graphics, backlighting and superior audio. It also cost about $100 more and the battery life was about 4 hours. It was technologically superior, but the battery life, unit weight and extra cost killed it.

I've never really even cared for handhelds, but the PSP looks pretty badass, and even though it has a pretty big pricetag it seems worth it.

The PSP isn't the uber-multimedia device Sony wants it to be. The battery will get you through maybe a single movie before it dies, the memory stick will hold maybe five to ten mp3s and the game selection will be 60% ports. On top of that, you're going to be dealing with DRE malfaunctions and constant overheating because of the disc-based format. You're going to be spending more than just an extra $50 to $100 on the thing because of having to pay for constant replacements and repairs.

I'd just buy a PS2, personally. What's the point of owning a portable when you can't really even leave home with it and the game selection is exactly the same as it's console counterpart?

Nintendo has dominated the handheld market because they're the only ones who are willing to dump enough money into something that isn't going to bring that much back.

Consoles and their games sell much better, and at higher prices, no use in trying to keep making newer versions of the gameboy to keep people playing, it's pathetic.

Psp owns all.

Well, first off, I'd like to say that you are all fucking fanboys. :P Every one of ya.

I'd like to start off with warning you that this is going to be a little more long-winded than any of you might care for. But I'd rather tell you all where I'm coming for before I throw my two cents in this obviously heated discussion.

I could probably call myself a sony fanboy. I bought the Playstation and Playstation 2. Neither one of them has disapointed me as far as games. I tend to favor things like Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, the Resident Evil Series, teh Final Fantasy series (not much for the oldies, at least not yet) and so forth, so there you go.

I don't really have much experience with the Nintendo systems at all. Im not an old scool gamer, and I don't ever buy more than one system. The guy next door to me had a N64, I wasn't really impressed with any of the games he had. I've never been interested in Mario, and I everything else i've heard about are FPS games and Platformers, which really aren't genre's I take well too.

Im thinking about buying a gamecube, which would be a not-so-risky investment for even someone accustomed to Sony systems. The System is cheaper now, and I want the two remakes it has for Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid. Im more of a game-fanboy than a console fanboy. That, and getting a Nintendo system would give me my own perspective of how Nintendo games are, I can play highly acclaimed games like the Zelda series and Metroid Prime and size them up to everything else i've played. I don't think i'll be trying out LUigi's Mansion though.

Now, to talk about what this discussion is really, about. The Handhelds.

I've had people tell me how great the DS is going to be, and I got to tell you, I wasn't buying it. I hadn't heard enough about the PSP yet anyways to really take sides on that issue anyways. Then I saw this thread, and realized that the PSP has no games that im interested in.

The battery thing isn't even a concern for me. I was actaully surprised to hear that the Game Gear had the same promblem (if that's really true, I dont know, or care.) I geuss I never sat their four hours straight and played it. I liked it though, Sonic Spinball was awesome, and I was a little weirded out that it took Nintendo so long to come out with color.

And forget all that mumbo-jumbo with the size and buttons and touch pads and what not. Im not that detailed. I participated in a sicussion with Raziel once over anolog sticks VS the N64's joystick, but that's only because I was bored and had nothing else to talk about. I don't give a damn about those things. A controller would have to be pretty damn poorly designed for me to really give a shit.


If there is a hand-held system im buying, it's the DS. I care about the games, I follow the system that has games that interest me. It's the reason I got the PS and PS2, and it's probably going to provoke me to buy this little handheld system. Xenosaga and FInal Fantasy, that's all that I got to say.

I'm just stating the truth, Death (I can only assume it's you). D3V's the one making the unjustified attacks here...like he always seems to enjoy doing.

Nintendo has dominated the handheld market because they're the only ones who are willing to dump enough money into something that isn't going to bring that much back. Psp owns all.

So, handhelds are a waste of money, but the PSP owns all?

D3V, you're a moron.

Consoles and their games sell much better

Well, I've actually managed to track down the NPD worlwide life-to-date sales numbers. Here you go.

Worldwide
PlayStation 2 – 68,288,961
Xbox – 16,130,277
GameCube – 15,218,771
Game Boy Advance – 52,584,313

The statements I've heard in the past regarding the sales of the GBA were off, I admit. However, GBA sales do equal to nearly twice the amount of both worldwide GCN and XBox numbers combined.

That said, you're a moron for thinking that consoles invariably sell better than handhelds. The GBA's worldwide sales numbers are nearly equal to that of the PS2's.

And here are the November sales numbers, for the record.

Xbox = 746,000
PS2 = 694,000
GCN = 350,000
GBA = 1,323,000

Just last month, the GBA sold through nearly double the number of units that the PS2 did. You still think that handhelds sell worse than consoles, D3V?

So we've established the fact that the GameCube was a failure?

Then technically the XBox is a failure as well. It's only leading the GCN by 900,000 units worldwide. That's less than the population of Idaho. Also, take into consideration that Nintendo has been making a profit on all hardware and software sales since the launch. Microsoft has been losing money on hardware sales since the XBox launched.

The Gamecube is hardly a failure. It's just not the freakish monstrosity of a success that the PS2 is.

And that same success will probably carry on over to the PSP...

Why am I still up at this hour?