Non-racially aware people read this.

Stormfront is some of the gayest shit I've ever seen. Anyone who visists their regularly that believes any of that shit is a retard, and everyone else is a troll, kind of like you.

Disprove anything the members there say.

Disprove anything the members there say.

I've disproved your gay shit umpteen times, fuckwit, you're just too damned dense to get anything through that big piece of shit you have in your skull that you call a brain.

We read about the KKK today and how backwards they were in History. They're nothing BUT dense fuckwits.

Originally they weren't. Things got out of hand. The creator of the KKK himself left because things were going down a road he didn't want them to.

I love how this thread is titled. Think about it for a second...

Well...check out White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan! They speak the truth! http://www.wckkkk.com/index2.html

(Fifty bucks to the first person who sends some faux anthrax to them)

I'm really just sick and tired of how everyone seems Americans treated their slaves the worst, when the truth is they probably treated them the best or close to it.(not that I approve of slavery or anything)

For my part, I've researched it quite a bit. I've visited plantation homes (some of which were owned by Black/Colored individuals who evidently had little problem with using slave labor in their own fields) and seen some of the surviving cabins where slaves were housed.

TRUST me...No African slave in the United States ever ran the risk of being butchered and eaten, or tortured to death as part of some barbarous religious ceremony. The slave populations survived AND THRIVED in America because of how they were treated.

It's amazing how powerful a little bit of knowledge is and how it can affect a person's point of view. Do yourself a favor and start asking the right questions.

What are the right questions?

1) Why are the Code Noirs and other civic codes regulating the treatment of slaves basically unmentionned in history classes?

2) Why is it that the great abolitionists of the antebellum period that are most lauded are Blacks such as Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman? There were PLENTY of White abolitionists who conspired at the risk of their lives and liberty to liberate slaves, yet they remain anonymous, and virtually forgotten?

3) WHY are the free Black/Colored classes who owned vast numbers of slaves to work their plantations and businesses unmentioned?

In other words, WHY is society deliberately painting Whites as "evil" and "oppressive" slaveholders and Blacks are depicted as "helpless victim" types when this situation simply was not the case?

Does it not sound to you like someone is deliberately manipulating the truth to create conflict?

I'm really just sick and tired of how everyone seems Americans treated their slaves the worst, when the truth is they probably treated them the best or close to it.(not that I approve of slavery or anything)

Really? Do you reall have any idea of how stupid you are? Obviously not. Just talk to any old black man, and they'll tell you about the evils of slavery, as they've heard first hand from people who were once slaves about the institution itself. But of course, you'd be too damned dense to accept that. You're a brainwashed piece of scum, and for the greater good of man kind, you should be fucking annhilated from the face of the planet, yet the "Jewish" government, that you so ingorantly loathe, has let you live. I swear to you, if I were in power, I would not permit ignorant poons to live. I have no problem with stupid people. Stupid people are born stupid. They have been passed the stupid gene, through no fault of their own, and really can't help it. The difference between you, and a stupid person, is that you choose to be ignorant, and that my friend, is the real definition of a retard.

You want to know the truth about slavery? Ask an old black man. I've told you many times.

You choose to ignore the stuff that the history books written by many accredited historians say, yet you come to accept what other retards have written? That makes no sense to me. I could understand someone questioning the history books, but then to turn around and say that something else is write is complete and utter bullcrap. Even if any of the stuff you had said had any substance behind it whatsoever, the simple fact that you're so hypocritical and contradictory about believing one source, and ignoring others, discredits you altogether. Of course, the fact that you choose to plagiarize does so too.

So take my advice and go ask an old black man about it. Even when the truth slaps you upside the face with the force of a billion gamma rays, you'd still be too damned dense to get it through. Face it. You choose to believe what you want. Whether it has any substance or not is irrelevant to you. You're living in your own, deranged fairy-tale world.

For my part, I've researched it quite a bit. I've visited plantation homes (some of which were owned by Black/Colored individuals who evidently had little problem with using slave labor in their own fields) and seen some of the surviving cabins where slaves were housed.

Those are pretty obvious lies. One, you claim to have visited plantation homes. Had you done this, and you'd found relevant information to back what you believe, you would at least have been able to come up with something halfway decent, even if you did have to pull it out of your ass. But the plain and simple fact is, you, fuckwit, choose to plagiarize. You don't know enough about the matter which you so assiduously try to defend to write a few simple paragraphs about it, and that is pretty sad.

Two, you claim to have visited plantations which were owned by blacks, but the truth is, there were so few free blacks in the south, and even fewer who owned slaves -- you could probably count them without using more than 4 bits of memory -- that the odds that you visited a plantation owned by a black man is so small that your above paragraph just seems ridiculous.

Third, through the connotation of your post, you seem to be hinting that the cabins in which the slaves were housed were fairly decent. Bullshit! Thiry slaves sleeping in 1000 sq ft on the hard floor. You do the math.

TRUST me...No African slave in the United States ever ran the risk of being butchered and eaten, or tortured to death as part of some barbarous religious ceremony. The slave populations survived AND THRIVED in America because of how they were treated.

No, the slave population survived and thrived in America, because without them, America would not have survived and thrived. It was a mutualistic relationship. Oh, and trust me, there are many cases where slaves were whipped to death, or beaten to an inch of their life. That is torture. There's no disputing that. In fact, if you look in the dictionary, I think it has a picture of just that next to the definition of the word torture.

I'll say it one final time. You really want to learn about slavery? You don't think that it was evil? Ask an old black man.

For my part, I've researched it quite a bit. I've visited plantation homes (some of which were owned by Black/Colored individuals who evidently had little problem with using slave labor in their own fields) and seen some of the surviving cabins where slaves were housed.

Are you sure it was you who visited those plantations? Are you sure it wasn't somebody else?

Originally they weren't. Things got out of hand. The creator of the KKK himself left because things were going down a road he didn't want them to. I love how this thread is titled. Think about it for a second...

Full fledged guerrilla warfare was on the verge of breaking out throughout the South and the federal government found itself powerless to stop it. The harsher the government mandates became, the stiffer the resistance became. Finally, in 1869, newly elected President Grant agreed to a secret meeting with Grand Wizard Forrest. The two men had faced each other in the Civil War and were now facing each other in a new kind of war. Grant asked what it would take to end the turmoil. Forrest replied the restoration of full rights of citizenship to the white South and home rule. Grant agreed. Grand Wizard Forrest would disband the Klan and later that year Grant would begin the process of withdrawing federal troops and restoring Constitutional Rights to the South. Unfortunately, the unrest did not end with the disbandment of the Ku Klux Klan in 1869. Grand Wizard Forrest had no authority over the other independent groups that also opposed the Reconstruction. Some of these groups, like the White Camellia, had grown to be as large as the Klan, and the outrages committed by impersonators continued. Though he did what he could, under these conditions President Grant found it difficult to keep his end of the bargain. Though Reconstruction would eventually end, it was agonizingly slow.

In the early 1870's there was no longer a Ku Klux Klan. But all resistance had been labeled "ku klux" by the northern newspapers and public officials. In 1871, Congress passed the Anti-Ku Klux Act which launched a massive investigation into the affairs of the late insurrectory states. The Federal government found its own policies largely to blame for the post Civil War turmoil. Gradually (too gradually) the government began to make amends and slowly, all organizations labeled "ku klux" faded away. By 1880, there was no longer a need for them. The restoration of civil liberties, civil authority, and home rule to the white South enabled law enforcers to stamp out the outlaws and criminal impersonators of the Ku Klux Klan.

The most unfortunate victims of the Reconstruction Era were the poor whites and freed Negroes who fared the worse under the violent conditions. The most infamous villains were the Carpetbaggers and Scalawags, most of whom just happened to be Jewish. But there is documentation that ex-Confederate Jews, as well as many Catholics also joined the Klan. Religious distinctions were not part of the original Ku Klux Klan's doctrine. Names like Cohen and Rosenbaum appear on both sides. Some Jews rose as high as the rank of Grand Cyclops in the original KKK.

While most historian claim that the country has never fully recovered from the Civil War, the reality is that the country has never recovered from the Reconstruction. More accurately we should simply consider the Reconstruction as the last battle and chapter of the Civil War. In the wake of Reconstruction, many myths have sprung up concerning the Klan and the most ridiculous ones seem to be most widely accepted today as facts. Most biased modern historians claim that the Klan just wandered around looking for innocent Negroes to hang. In fact, the original Klan never hung anyone who was truly innocent and did much to protect the innocent of both races.

ALSO... on the burning of crosses.

The most common myth is that the original Klan burned crosses. This is the invention of fiction writer, Thomas Dixon, and elaborated upon by movie producer, D.W. Griffith. In the 47 volumes that make up the Ku Klux Report to Congress, not one eye witness, not one ex-Klansman, not one surviving victim, not one newspaper article makes any reference at all to a fiery cross of any kind. In the Klan's own Prescripts much detail is given to making the Klan flag or Grand Ensign, but no mention of a cross, fiery or otherwise, is made. It was not until 1915, that former Methodist minister, William Joseph Simmons, adopted the Methodist religious symbol of the fiery cross as a symbol for his revived Ku Klux Klan, after being inspired by the Dixon novel, "The Clansman" and the Griffith motion picture, "The Birth of a Nation".

For nearly one hundred years the Klan was recognized as the savior of the white South. Amid the lawlessness and chaos of the Reconstruction Era the Klan sought to restore law and order and protect the defenseless population. It was incredibly successful. Unfortunately for all involved, it could only use the means at hand. Amid a reign of terror committed by the highest levels of government, to the lowest common outlaws, the Klan resorted to the use of terror. Having felt they accomplished their goals for the most part, the Klan disbanded itself and was not defeated by government legislation. Had there never been a revival of the Ku Klux Klan, the original Klan would have maintained its place in history as an organization of decent men who were forced under unbearable conditions to do only what was necessary to protect life, liberty, and property at a time of unprecedented lawlessness and abuse of authority by a government gone mad with power. (Just like today.)

For further reading I recommend the following books:

Invisible Empire, by Stanley Horn. Not available from the IHRF, but it can be found on the internet, in libraries, and book stores.

Available from the IHRF and listed on our web page:

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan $18.00

The Story of the Ku Klux Klan $ 8.00

A Story of the Original Ku Klux Klan $ 2.50

Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth, and Disbandment $7.00

A Pictorial History of the Ku Klux Klan $ 5.00

Let me now make it well-known that I do not support today's Klan, for it is rather unneeded.

We read about the KKK today and how backwards they were in History. They're nothing BUT dense fuckwits.

Hm, do they also teach you kids anything about the atrocities of the Jews? OH! Of course not! Jews have never done anything bad in history!

http://www.kkklan.com/briefhist.htm

It was amid this atmosphere that John Lester, James Crowe, John Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard Reed, and Frank McCord met in a law office in Pulaski, Tn., on Christmas Eve, 1865 and, innocently enough, decided to form a social club for the purpose of mutual entertainment. The club adopted the style of the college fraternities in vogue at the time. They would dress up in weird costumes and play practical jokes on unsuspecting people. To create an aura of mystery they invented an unusual name and called their social club: the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1866, the popularity of the Ku Klux Klan grew through out Tennessee and beyond. At the same time depredations committed by renegade Blacks and Whites, coupled with the absents of constitutional law and vengeance seeking Radical Republicans, made life in the South become all but unbearable. Quite by accident the nocturnal pranksters of the Ku Klux Klan discovered that their costumes and highjinks had a startling effect on the superstitious Negroes. The Negroes thought they were seeing ghosts whenever a group of Klansmen were seen going about at night. The Klan was quick to realize that their newly discovered ghostly image could be used to control bands of unruly Negroes. At first the night riders went out unarmed. Not intending to hurt anyone, they believed that anyone they met would be too frightened to try to harm them. Things were soon to change.

When the Carpetbagger and Scalawag politicians noticed that renegade Negroes were beginning to behave themselves and crime went drastically down in areas where a Den of the Klan had been established, they reacted swiftly. Carpetbaggers and Scalawags were manipulators. They thrived in the violent post Civil War period where they could take advantage of people's fears to increase their own fortunes and political powers. The Loyal League and Union League made willing allies. The Klan was, for the most part, made up of ex-Confederates who were hated by the Loyal League and if crime and violence went down, no one could justify the expense of maintaining the Negro Militias. The Loyal League and Union League began night patrols in the name of protecting the terrified Negro population. These patrols did not hesitate to open fire on the Klansmen, who, up to that point, were guilty of nothing worse then Halloween tricks. The Klan responded in kind. Soon skirmishes broke out when night patrols of each side would chance encounter each other.

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Once organized under Grand Wizard Forrest, the Klan became a force to be reckoned with. Disbanded Confederate units reunited to form Dens of the Klan. Ex-Confederate officers became the Grand Dragons, Giants, and Titans. Ex-Confederate common soldiers made up the rank and file of the Klan and were called Ghouls. As this was happening, other organizations independently began to form in the South to combat the depredations of outlaws, renegade Whites and Blacks, the Union and Loyal Leagues, Carpetbag rule, and the outrages allowed by the Reconstruction Acts of Congress.

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Once organized under Grand Wizard Forrest, the Klan became a force to be reckoned with. Disbanded Confederate units reunited to form Dens of the Klan. Ex-Confederate officers became the Grand Dragons, Giants, and Titans. Ex-Confederate common soldiers made up the rank and file of the Klan and were called Ghouls. As this was happening, other organizations independently began to form in the South to combat the depredations of outlaws, renegade Whites and Blacks, the Union and Loyal Leagues, Carpetbag rule, and the outrages allowed by the Reconstruction Acts of Congress. Some of these new organizations were: the knights of the White Camellia, the White League, the White Brotherhood, and the Red Shirts to name a few. These organizations were independent from, yet just as secret as, the Ku Klux. Having no legal rights, members of these organizations could not afford to have their identities made known and solemn oaths of secrecy were taken by all. The secrecy was both a help and a hindrance to the Klan. While it protected the identity of its members, it became difficult to tell if an act had been committed by the Klan, one of the other ant-reconstruction organizations, or by outlaws impersonating the Klan. In the forty seven volumes that make up the Ku Klux Report to Congress, there is ample documentation to prove that most of the atrocities attributed to the Klan were, in fact, committed by the other anti-reconstruction organizations, outlaws impersonating the Klan, and in many cases Loyal Leaguers and Black Union Leaguers who would disguise themselves as Klansmen and raid Negro hamlets to instill anti-white sentiment for political purposes. The Reconstruction authorities soon declared the Ku Klux Klan and all other resistance groups as outlaws. The Negro militias were ordered to kill on sight anyone believed to be a Klansman.

During all this the Klan tried to keep its intentions on a high level. When the Klan "Ku Kluxed" someone it was only after the victim was given a trial and was allowed to choose someone to speak on their behalf and defend them. The Klan also gave large sums of money to war widows and orphans.

The victims of the Klan, who were White as well as Black, tended to be people proven to be guilty of serious crimes such as barn burnings, theft, rape, or murder. Corrupt politicians, Carpetbaggers and Scalawags were also Ku Kluxed. Usually the Klan left cryptic messages to warn minor offenders, but if these warnings were ignored, they too could be Ku Kluxed, which meant anything from a flogging to execution. These were barbaric times, but the Klan sought to restore law and order, not to destroy it. There was, in fact, no law and the Klan only used force when the forces of the Radical Republicans gave it no other choice.

Ignored by most modern historians is the fact that after the Civil War many ex-Union soldiers chose to settle in the South. Shocked by the outrageous conditions reconstruction imposed upon the White South, many of these ex-Union soldiers either joined or supported the Klan or the other resistance groups. Many Union soldiers and officers occupying parts of the conquered South co-operated with the Klan in fighting Carpetbag rule and outrages committed by Negro organizations.

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The term "ku klux" became popular and was widely used. Any resistance to reconstruction was given the label "ku klux". In their efforts to crush all resistance, the Radical Republicans labeled ALL white southerners as "Ku Klux" and the atrocities committed by outlaws, bandits, impersonators, and anyone else were all laid to the Klan's blame. With the death penalty hanging over their heads, Klansmen were in no position to come forward and openly deny the charges and defend themselves. But the Klan did attempt to police the situation. The Klan issued public warnings that anyone caught committing a crime while disguised as a Klansman would be executed. It is documented that the Klan publicly posted warnings condemning the mistreatment of innocent Blacks and it is equally documented that on at least one occasion the KKK even hung one of its own members for beating up an unoffending Black man.

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The Klan was in a dilemma. It found itself in a two front war. On the one hand they were confronting criminals, carpetbaggers, and renegade Negroes in their efforts to protect their families and restore law and order. On the other hand they had to deal with impersonators who committed all manner of outrages motivated by everything from personal revenge to political manipulations. Plus the Klan, itself, was declared outlaw and hunted. As anti-white reconstruction legislation became more brutal the situation worsened. All sides clashed in nocturnal pitch battles which sometimes involved hundreds of participants as well as the use of cannon. During reconstruction there were approximately 50,000 casualties. The Klan grew to over 400,000 members. Negroes, on the one hand, opposed the Klan while Black Union Leaguers impersonated the Klan to ferment further unrest and anti-white hatred. At the same time thousands of Negroes aided the Klan who helped rid them of carpetbaggers and outlaws. There is documented proof that there were even Negroes who were actually sworn into the KKK as members.

The Klan was not formed to bring "da black man down"

I don't think Kagom would want to see things from your point of view...

I don't think Kagom would want to see things from your point of view...

There's always two sides to every (HI)story. Jewish supremacists can't always get away with their simple-minded, racist (Oh wait, I forgot. You can't be racist towards white people. They deserve it, right?) examinations of history.