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Posted 2005-06-17, 02:04 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "Last paragraph: The likely..."
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The likely conclusion is that there is no real FTL communication taking place and that the effect is another manifestation of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
I understand that. I wasn't implying that I think it's possible, just pointing you to what (I think) Adrena was talking about.
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Posted 2005-06-17, 02:07 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I understand that. I wasn't implying..."
I'm a little confused on the baseball example. I know just about nothing about relativity, but doesn't light always move at the same velocity relative to you no matter what speed you're going? So if you're going .99999C, wouldn't light still appear to you to be going 300,000 KM/S relative to you? Then how would a baseball reach that speed if you through it at 90 MPH? God, I understand nothing about this. Could anyone point me to a site that explains this stuff that I might be able to comprehend?
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Posted 2005-06-17, 02:12 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I'm a little confused on the baseball..."
What he was saying is you could go very close to the speed of light, and throw a baseball really hard(meaning it would continue traveling at your speed+however fast you threw it) making it go at the speed of light or faster.
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Posted 2005-06-17, 04:22 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I'm a little confused on the baseball..."
The speed of light isn't relative to anything. It's concrete. It's the speed of light.
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Posted 2005-06-17, 05:31 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "The speed of light isn't relative to..."
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The speed of light isn't relative to anything. It's concrete. It's the speed of light.
But doesn't light always travel 300,000 m/s (approx. of course) relative to you, no matter what velocity you may be traveling at? Don't know if that's right, just thought I heard that somewhere.
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Posted 2005-06-17, 11:56 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "But doesn't light always travel 300,000..."
The speed of light is not relative to anything. It always goes the speed of light.
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Posted 2005-06-18, 07:09 AM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "The speed of light is not relative to..."
Electrons can travel faster than the speed of light in some media.

Yet only in some media. They usually travel around 99.9...% of light.


Wow...it's amazing what a simple google search for "speed of elctrons" comes up with...quite a lot of Einstein references...and some weird experiments to do with electrons in electrical fields and the like...

And then a search for "speed of light"...wow...I could spend days reading all this stuff...

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MJ, read this: http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetin...travelvill.htm

It talks all about wormholoes, and contians the thing I think you're talking about with the baseball (two people hold a sheet and place a baseball in the middle which causes the sheet to curve at that point??).

Interesting reading.

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Anyone ever heard of Kerr holes (rotating black holes)?? http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetin...travelvill.htm Mentioned on the same site.

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Posted 2005-06-18, 07:45 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Electrons can travel faster than the..."
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MJ, read this:
Thanks, Lenny. Intresting read.
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Posted 2005-06-18, 07:34 AM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "The speed of light is not relative to..."
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The speed of light is not relative to anything. It always goes the speed of light.
Okay, so let me ask another question: If you're traveling at 299,999 km/s, how fast does light seem to be traveling behind you? (assuming that light travels at 300,000 km/s)
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Posted 2005-06-18, 11:43 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Okay, so let me ask another question:..."
If you're travelling at just under the speed of light, then light travels past you like a slow moving vehicle. You won't notice a change however, because almost all light sources are constant, so it'll still be a solid beam of light. You would see head or the tail the beam of light moving slowly if it were switched on or off respectively (like with a flashlight).
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