the bible

I don't know, if we're created in his image and given free will to think with, it sounds more like god wanted companionship, which implies a level of respect and equality.

Then again, he may have tried to make us to slavishly adhere to his Word and live in his glory like his angels. You should check out how well that worked out.

I would rather read everything that people wrote that was inspired by god then what the catholic church says i should read. By them not allowing us to read every single writing that has ever been created and inspired by god, it makes our religion feel like a secret society. But thats just me. I still go to a catholic college and went to a catholic highschool and read the bible twice

I don't know, if we're created in his image and given free will to think with, it sounds more like god wanted companionship, which implies a level of respect and equality. Then again, he may have tried to make us to slavishly adhere to his Word and live in his glory like his angels. You should check out how well that worked out.

well you have to take in mind the simple and most important question here,
HE created US, it's like a father with a children, thanks to mom and dad, sonny boy was born, now sonny born was his parents to treat him as an equal, and not put any law over him becuase they're both human!
hmm...that doesnt make sense to me, i think the son should do what ever the father tells him to, because his father, until the boy is an adult, has control over him, and slowly gives him more freedom as he grows up,it's the same as with us, HE created us and now we want to be his equal? that makes no sense, he gave us free will, and all he asks us to do is to follow his simple commands, the point is that with all the things this world offers, it's kinda hard to follow his words.
But the main point is, he created us because he wanted to give life to us, and now we want him to lower him self to our status, LOL he doesn't even needed to create us in the first place, he could have us like animals living by instinct having sex, and hunting for food like a savage beast, but he didn't do that, since god is love, he gave us the chance to live our life, of ofcourse showing alittle gratitud to him.

And the celestial war that ocurred in 1914 (same as the 1st world war) was all because at the beginning of everything, 1 angel (satan, lucifer, how ever you wanna call him, its' the same loser)
was jealous of gods power, and got envious, and asked, why dont' I have power? why can't i govern over all the angels but he does? the answer is simple, god created jesus, then he created all the angels and that included satan, satans rebelious intent, and selfishly looking for power, decided to well, rebel against god, and made adan's wife(eve) eat of the tree that god told them not too, which in personally i think that's a pretty easy concept, god goes:"you can eat anything from any tree and sleep and w/e you want, but you must not eat this tree, this lone tree"
i mean there's like millions of trees in the world, and you just HAd to eat the one he told you not too? (lol).
Thanks to that selfish impulse, god symbolicly condemned the serpet(refering to satan) and then made man live on earth, working for his food and his survival, and to live with his sin till the day he died, and that's how the story of the bible begins, and so on.

i'll also be posting WHy people think the bible contradicts it self later on, if you find that interesting just pm me and i'll post it.

What about evolution?

What about evolution?

ah yes, evolution, the scientific way the human race was created.
Ok, here's the bible explanation to evolution, 1st and most importantly, evolution is not real, here's why.

The scientific method is the following: observe, form a hypothesis based on observation, test the theory through aditional observations, experimentsd, and watch to see if the predictions come true. Is that the method that those who believe in evolution follow and teach?

the astronomer Robert Jastrow says: for personal reason, [scientists]
don't have a clear answer, becuase the chemicals have never been able to succesfully reproduce experiments from nature over the creation of life from inanimated matter. The scientists don't know how evolution really happened.
(The enchanted loom: mind in the universe, newyork, 1981, page 19.)

The evolutionists Loren Eiseley accepted the following fact: "After straighting out the teologics for trusting mith and miracles, science has found it self in a envidous position of having to create it's own mithology: to know, the suposition of what is beind of many hard ships, could not have been proved, that what happened now, in reality, could have taken place in the primitive land.(the immense journey NY,1957, page 199)

according to the magazine NEW SCIENTIST: "an increasing amount of sceintists and most particularly an increased number of evolutionists [...]
present the argument of the theory of evolution of darviniana, is not genuinly a scientific theory [...] Many of the critics have the most elevated intelectual credentials" (june 25 1981 page 828)

The physics master (or teacher i can't remember) H. S. Lipson said: "The only explication acceptable is creation. I know that this is anatheme for the physic (people w/e i can't rmember how to translate it) like in fact it is for me, but we can't ignore the theory that we don't like, if the experimental proof supports it. (physics bulleting, 1980, Vol. 31, page 138)
hope that answers some questions, i still got more info waiting!.

In Science, unlike religion, twenty years can pass and thinking can change dramatically. If you are going to give uotes and what not, at least gives us quotes from the past couple of years, not 1981, 1980 or 1957.

Oh, and I have to say: This thread does not deliver.

evolution is not real

Once again you've demonstrated the undeniable: You're an idiot!

I mean I'm a christian, but I also believe the Bible is basically stories we should use and gain wisdom from to better our lives. The Bible as well as Scientists contradict themselves, I don't really know what to believe anymore.

The Bible as well as Scientists contradict themselves, I don't really know what to believe anymore.

Well, scientists contradict each other. And in light of new evidence a new theory may become the accepted paradigm. However, that is nothing compared to the internal inconsistencies of the Bible, along with it's blatant misrepresentation of scientific fact.

And the Bible is a pernicious source for wisdom or ethics. Those that seek to gain either from the Bible have either not read the Bible, are wicked, are self-deluding, or a combination of the three.

You're a goddamn Jehovah's Witness, aren't you? My god, so that means you follow a cultish version of Christianity as well as use faulty translations for your bible. So why are you a Russelite?

Also, God is a sadist.

first and most importantly, jeho'va witneses dont' follow any cultish version of christianity, they follow the real way, and second and furthermore, i freakign give up, it'shard trying ot get logicn into a hard headed skull, this started out as any regular opinion and debate, people giving opinions and and debating upon certain informatin and such, this went from a O and D to a slap fest of pure argument over difference in beliefs, i am not going to participate in this any more, believe what you want, it was fun talking a little inteligent for awhile, back to my usual, spamming, time wasting, screw around all i like, self.

I bet your all so happy i'm going back to the chatterbox, tsk tsk tsk.

it'shard trying ot get logicn into a hard headed skull

I've heard multiple Christians say this, and I find it more and more ironic every time I hear it.

And Jehova's Witness' are a cult. Fucking crazies.

I fucking called it.

No, they follow a cultish version of Christianity. Hell, many don't even want to be Christian. You pervert some of the Christian beliefs, hell, you guys even claim Jesus and Satan were brothers. You misinterpret Logos in the first chapter and verse of John.

Besides, should you have been disfellowshipped by now for all the crap you've claimed and said?

first and most importantly, jeho'va witneses dont' follow any cultish version of christianity, they follow the real way, and second and furthermore, i freakign give up, it'shard trying ot get logicn into a hard headed skull, this started out as any regular opinion and debate, people giving opinions and and debating upon certain informatin and such, this went from a O and D to a slap fest of pure argument over difference in beliefs, i am not going to participate in this any more, believe what you want, it was fun talking a little inteligent for awhile, back to my usual, spamming, time wasting, screw around all i like, self. I bet your all so happy i'm going back to the chatterbox, tsk tsk tsk.

lol

Every person who follows a religion claims "it's the REAL way", you're no exception.

Also, you can't really have a true O&D based on religious beliefs because most religions have 0 confirming evidence and have to be accepted on blind faith, meaning you either dig it or you don't. It's like asking if people like Pepsi or not...

and as a last thing, god killed thousands of people because they thought they could go against him, defied his law, and went to side with satan, they sdeserved to die anyhow.

This is enough to get God branded as a terrorist, according to US Foreign Policy. Amusing that we just executed Hussein for the same thing, wouldn't you say? God is not my shepherd, because shepherds are supposed to care for all their flock, not just the ones that come when you call their name.

ha, being the little black sheep will get you killed to...

ha, being the little black sheep will get you killed to...

lol

Now we've established that I'm morally superior to God, isn't that cute?