More Bush Double Talk on Waterboarding

First I do not agree that waterboarding is torture, I am most certainly not a bigot, or even a right winger. But I do agree with your side of the story, in much the same way I feel about the death penalty. If the system was perfect I would never see a problem with executing proven murderers, but the fact is it is not, there have been people in recent history proven innocent after they were executed.

Well, the death penalty is another issue altogether. Even for Osama I would not advocate the death penalty.

But we're not talking about death here. I think breaking legs, and fingers, cutting body parts off. Impalement, ugh anyway that's what represents torture to me.

Torture does not necessarily have to leave permanent physical damage. For instance, I would consider rape torture, though it most often does not leave permanent physical damage.

How would you go about getting the information out of them?

I would hire someone more qualified, first of all. Secondly, I would ensure that they tried more conventional means.