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Posted 2008-02-24, 07:16 PM in reply to Adrenachrome's post starting "I agree with you KA, and I may also..."
I would agree with you that people use race as an excuse for things sometimes, which is problematic. This is the main reason I think most feminists are cunts. Many of the feminists I've talked to think women should be SUPERIOR to men, rather than equal.

However, the group mentality is a necessity when an entire group is getting discriminated against. It isn't just a few gay people who are being discriminated against, it's all gay people. However, that does not mean that any time something is done to a gay person, it's done to them because they are gay. That's the error in the logic.

Also, just to use your own example against you(no offense meant, though,) take the same situation except the ethnic minority applicant is better. If you hire the ethnic minority applicant, the white person is going to think that you're hiring the person simply because you want cheap labor or whatever else. Quite often, the white person cannot even fathom that the other applicant might be better. This is the case with most discrimination against hispanics. If a hispanic person gets a job over a white person, it's never said that the hispanic person got it because he was better for the job, it's always said that he got it because he will work for less. Just the same, like you said, if the white person gets the job over the hispanic person, it's never about the white person being better at the job, it's always about the employer being a racist.

This is why I've supported the idea of forcing employers to pay everyone equally for the same job. I think it should be illegal for someone to pay one person less than another person for the same job. This way, if the employer can't pick one over the other simply for cheap labor, the employer has to pick the person that is more qualified.
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Posted 2008-02-24, 07:43 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I would agree with you that people use..."
i totally agree, but with the whole equal pay thing, kinda. 2 people that have the EXACT same job and do it at the same level and quality should get paid the same. if ones a slacker, and doesnt even do it well, they should get paid less IMO
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Posted 2008-02-24, 07:59 PM in reply to talentedhamster's post starting "i totally agree, but with the whole..."
I don't think paying someone less because they don't do as good of a job makes much sense. If they are not doing a satisfactory job, you should fire them and get someone else.
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Posted 2008-02-24, 08:02 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I don't think paying someone less..."
thats a good point hah
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Posted 2008-02-24, 09:11 PM in reply to talentedhamster's post starting "thats a good point hah"
I'm not entirely sure if in most places sex determines pay directly. Rather you don't move up as quickly if you're gone on maternity leave a lot, and a lot of "female" jobs such as teachers don't typically pay well.
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