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Posted 2008-04-16, 01:26 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "No, I think it perfectly demonstrates..."
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No, I think it perfectly demonstrates your point.
It could be better. We could have one with even more certainty.

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Posted 2008-04-16, 01:35 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "It could be better. We could have one..."
It perfectly illustrates the uncertainty in your assertion.
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Posted 2008-04-16, 01:49 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "It perfectly illustrates the..."
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It perfectly illustrates the uncertainty in your assertion.
Right, but the point I was trying to illustrate was that the term theory does not insinuate uncertainty. For instance, the theory of evolution encompasses a number of facts. One of these facts is that we share a common ancestor with other apes. There is absolutely no uncertainty about this. Technicalities in the theory of evolution may be modified, but the overlying structure of the theory will not change. Similarly, the big bang theory is well enough established to assert that new discoveries may modify the technicalities of the theory, but the overall structure of the theory will remain.


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Posted 2008-04-16, 01:53 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Right, but the point I was trying to..."
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Right, but the point I was trying to illustrate was that the term theory does not insinuate uncertainty. For instance, the theory of evolution encompasses a number of facts. One of these facts is that we share a common ancestor with other apes. There is absolutely no uncertainty about this.

Those same facts don't apply nearly as relevant with the big bang theory. There however, is uncertainty of how the big bang even started. There are tons and tons of "theories" floating around. Shit, I have a theory that you aren't even black, all fingers would point that you are because you say you are, but nobody really even knows, and until it's proven factually and can be demonstrated as a fact rather than just a theory it'll remain just that, a theory.q














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Posted 2008-04-16, 01:57 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "Those same facts don't apply nearly as..."
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Those same facts don't apply nearly as relevant with the big bang theory.
What?

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There however, is uncertainty of how the big bang even started. There are tons and tons of "theories" floating around.
Absolutely. There is no consensus on this, and I have never asserted that there is.

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Shit, I have a theory that you aren't even black, all fingers would point that you are because you say you are, but nobody really even knows, and until it's proven factually and can be demonstrated as a fact rather than just a theory it'll remain just that, a theory.q
You're still not understanding what a theory is.
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Posted 2008-04-16, 02:04 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "What? Absolutely. There is no..."
Most scientists agree with the idea of the big bang. They can use math to look back all the way to a split second after the explosion ...but they have had trouble for a long time figuring out past there.
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Posted 2008-04-16, 02:06 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "Most scientists agree with the idea of..."
Okay, WKFF, that's the point i'm trying to get across. Sure, they can go on all day explaining that the mass inside of this specific area came together, and densed up to a ponit, got to a certain point where it couldn't go in anymore, and exploded, and shot peices so far to the point that it formed a universe etc etc.














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Posted 2008-04-17, 12:08 AM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "Most scientists agree with the idea of..."
It's because when you are dealing with a singularity, things get fucked up. It's an object of infinite mass and density.

The current theory that seems to be promenent in all of the shows and books that I've read on the subject all state that the universe formed by the big bang. I want links and proof that someone without a PHD in quantum mechanics could understand stating that this is wrong.
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