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Posted 2009-03-18, 07:17 PM in reply to D3V's post "Playstation 3 Price Drop soon?"
May I just point out that the article is from the end of February, and that Sony have scoffed at Hickey's mentionings of a Blu-rayless PS3 - not only is it a foolish thought because Sony is one of the founding members of Blu-ray, and is using the PS3 to push the format, but then there's also that little detail that PS3 games come on Blu-ray...

Whilst it may throw Hickey's comments into a mire of implausibility, many pundits have voiced their opinions that if Sony is going to drop the price, they'll announce and bring it in to action during GDC (March 23rd - 25th(?)). It doesn't take a genius to guess that they'd do it then, though. If not GDC, then E3, or a Gamer's Day in London, or before Christmas.
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Posted 2009-03-19, 10:32 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "May I just point out that the article..."
Excellent post! I'm pretty excited being that I still DO NOT have a PS3, and am wanting to play Madden this season on it online against a few buddies, so this really should happen. Man, I can't wait!














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Posted 2009-03-19, 10:34 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "May I just point out that the article..."
Aren't they using a loss leader strategy? Or has the hardware prices come down so much since the adoption that they're making money on consoles now?
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Posted 2009-03-19, 11:11 AM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "Aren't they using a loss leader..."
I don't know the details of the price, but since the original version, they've:
  • Removed the Emotion Engine
  • Removed the Graphics Synthesiser
  • Removed 2 USB ports
  • Removed the card readers
  • Increased the number of Cell chips per silicon wafer
  • Presumably improved the yeild from the blue laser manufacturing
Not to mention that increased volume on the Cell chip and the blue laser reduce per-part overhead cost. The PS3 definately costs a lot less now than it did at launch.
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Posted 2009-03-19, 02:19 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "I don't know the details of the price,..."
I'm not quite sure how that translates into dollars and cents, but if they do cut $100 off the price, they've GOT to be making money at this point. I'm guessing the original "we're losing money" statement was from the R&D which they had to cover.
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Posted 2009-03-19, 10:38 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "I'm not quite sure how that translates..."
No, from a materials and labor standpoint, they were losing money on the original machine. This has been confirmed by several independant sources that estimate such things.

TBH, I expect that if they are making money on consoles now, it's not much. The EE+GS removal can't save more than $100, since the PlayStation 2 only costs about that much; there could be glue components involved that inflated that price, but I don't remember reading about any when I looked at a teardown. You can get a nice card reader for about $30. The USB connectors cost less than $10. So for them to be making money on consoles, Cell and blue laser cost reduction and volume increases would need to reduce the cost by almost $200.
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Posted 2009-03-20, 07:08 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "No, from a materials and labor..."
Well, if they were losing money on just parts/labor, then I guess the R&D had to be priced into the parts. If not then they were getting pummeled bad. I don't know what their cost allocation technique is, but cost allocation is why the government reports "200 dollar toilet seats" or whatever. They've allocated R&D and other indirect expenses down to each part, and inflated the cost associated to it much beyond the actual cost of that toilet seat or what have you.
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Posted 2009-03-20, 09:32 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "Well, if they were losing money on just..."
You're not hearing me. Independent firms estimated the cost due only to parts and labor; they made a list of all the components and determined the price to assemble it at the current market rates. Surely the cost of developing the system is applied to game royalties.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/23/p...s-300-cheaper/
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