Quarter-Finals! Sigma vs. Kuja

I think he means the act of "Destroying the Chains which sustain the main platform." To me it seems like a perfectly legitimate move.

Oh, well if that's the case. Yes, sigma can deff. do it too. It would most likely have only 1 use. Destroying his own pet but Sigma can do it.

The dog is fast and weak Easliy dispatched down in the lava considering he cannot fly. As for it's attack. They are very limited.

the dog has the ability to pounce off walls or can even stay on sigma.. and sigma could use a platform of his own (one of his giant "parts")
the dog is capable also of generating projectiles.. imagine sigma using a giant attack covering most of the cave space and the dog shooting projectiles in the rest

is it a valid move for sigma to deliberately destroy/collapse the entire cavern or erupt the lava and leave or sustain himself in wireframe form?

He would destroy himself. I might be destroyed. But i most likley survive by destroying falling rock. Sigma would most likely be destroyed by his own attack. He cannot sustain himself with nothing and while he destroy the cavern he cannot protect himself since he is already busy. So he woud be draged by the rock falling to the bottom then destroyed.

His dog projectile are lame. One has to follow the wall and the other as a shitty range. He can jump from wall to wall but he need to stop a few sec once a while. This is why with no ground he is doomed.

Sigma cannot possibly be covering a big area with his body. Bigger his body is less movement he would have. This arena aint a cube. It's a cylinder.

is it a valid move for sigma to deliberately destroy/collapse the entire cavern or erupt the lava and leave or sustain himself in wireframe form?

Destroy the cavern and leave? No. The idea is that the opponent must be defeated before an exit is provided to the victor. The arenas are inescapable, so that we don't have combatants pussing out and letting their surroundings do all the work for them.

That doesn't mean that the fighters can't use the arena to attack their opponent, but they can't just remove themselves from the fight and let the enviroment take care of the other person.

Based on control, damage and agression!
The winner is!
KUJA!

Oh, nm. This aint Robot Wars.

Well that pile of metal scrap i made out of sigma might end up there

He would destroy himself. I might be destroyed. But i most likley survive by destroying falling rock. Sigma would most likely be destroyed by his own attack. He cannot sustain himself with nothing and while he destroy the cavern he cannot protect himself since he is already busy. So he woud be draged by the rock falling to the bottom then destroyed.

i forget which game sigma does this.. i think it was x2 or x3
but sigma is clearly not vulnerable in the wireframe state and a rock would pass right through him.. sigma's wireframe head also constantly moves around and x is forced to dodge it while getting out
besides sigma's mechanical nature and the armory that comes with it would be able to protect him from debris

His dog projectile are lame. One has to follow the wall and the other as a shitty range. He can jump from wall to wall but he need to stop a few sec once a while. This is why with no ground he is doomed.

sigma could easily provide the dog with moving platform(s) or parts of his body as platforms.. and sigma could easily hold the dog.. the ability to bounce off walls would be an addition to this
the dogs attack would also still be enough to do some damage and to deal at least major annoyances when kuja is trying to dodge sigma's attacks

Sigma cannot possibly be covering a big area with his body. Bigger his body is less movement he would have. This arena aint a cube. It's a cylinder.

if Sigma uses one of those giant bodies.. im not talking about the biped forms
this would clearly not be an issue.. the biped forms would have more than enough space to move around

ok so basically "pussing out" or leaving the arena is not allowed

btw is this "magma" or "lava" and is it flowing or is it like a lava lake? it would make a bit of difference here..
how "human" is kuja?
there is a good chance that sigma could dip into the lava and be able to sustain himself within the lava for a good amount of time without suffering any real injuries

i forget which game sigma does this.. i think it was x2 or x3 but sigma is clearly not vulnerable in the wireframe state and a rock would pass right through him.. sigma's wireframe head also constantly moves around and x is forced to dodge it while getting out besides sigma's mechanical nature and the armory that comes with it would be able to protect him from debris

With that his body wouldnt hold on anything so basicly it would fall down very quickly by destroying chains myself or by the rock that would take the plateform. There again destroying falling rock would save me. The only reason again that X always have to dodge out of the way is because he was on an area with limited location. He couldnt go down or high lot like it is possible in this arena.

if Sigma uses one of those giant bodies.. im not talking about the biped forms this would clearly not be an issue.. the biped forms would have more than enough space to move around

Im not sure what you ment here. But if your saying he would use his small form well it aint his wireframe. So he has to use another strategy.

how "human" is kuja?

Even tho i dont see the point of that question. Not human. The only thing that could be human would be some of the souls he has inside his body.

there is a good chance that sigma could dip into the lava and be able to sustain himself within the lava for a good amount of time without suffering any real injuries

I doubt it would take long for him to turn into metal juice.

The only chance Sigma would have would be in his Kaiser Sigma form. But like i said already his limited ammount of fligth would end up destroying him. With many of the attack and ways i said when Sen brought it up

With that his body wouldnt hold on anything so basicly it would fall down very quickly by destroying chains myself or by the rock that would take the plateform. There again destroying falling rock would save me. The only reason again that X always have to dodge out of the way is because he was on an area with limited location. He couldnt go down or high lot like it is possible in this arena.

huh? wireframe body is floating.. how would destroying chains affect him in the wireframe form? (by wireframe i am talking about that viral thing.. where x is jumping up and the lava is rising up)
and would kuja be able to destroy all the rocks and debris that are constantly falling? sigma's mechanical weapons would be able to shoot and target much faster than kuja could target spells and attacks at a bunch of rocks

Im not sure what you ment here. But if your saying he would use his small form well it aint his wireframe. So he has to use another strategy.

you keep talking about space hindering sigma.. but i dont see how it would
if sigma is in one of his giant forms that cant fit within the arena.. he would just kind of stick partially into the area and fill up space.. like that x4 one
if he is in one of his biped forms.. (two leg forms) none of those forms are that big.. maybe the height of a normal house room.. sigma would not have trouble moving around in those forms

Even tho i dont see the point of that question. Not human. The only thing that could be human would be some of the souls he has inside his body.

let me rephrase then.. is Kuja organic?

I doubt it would take long for him to turn into metal juice.

actually no.. many geologists often dip utensils into lava and the utensils hold out fine
what happens is the temperature of the utensil.. especially those metal ones.. cools a layer around them protecting them a bit from the hot temperature of the lava
sigma's armor would obviously be superior to geologists utensils and would probably be able to hold out even better.. added also that sigma's armor is known to be resistant against elemental stress.. and i would say sigma could hold out in the lava for a pretty long time

As far as i know organic would be yes. There isnt really an explanation that tell what kind of material Kuja is made off. I dunno what you think is a house but the average house size wouldnt be 175 feet tall and if it was it would have a base to fit. Kuja could simply stay at the top of the cavern during the whole match having rock pushing him down once a while but he wouldnt suffer impact damage unlike Sigma. Kuja would suffer minor damage from time to time but Sigma would be hit by rock and spell while he is busy trying to do something that will mainlyl shake some rock and hardly more. I dunno how hot the lava is but im sure it aint cold. When i said it wouldnt last long i didnt mean instantly. Once his armor is pierced the lava will flow in destroying everything inside his body. So his problem wouldnt be to be completly melted it would be once he has a hole. Cause then he would be destroyed from the inside.

when i say "long time" im not saying sigma can stay in the lava for hours just sitting there.. probably better wording would have been "relatively long time"
time would depend very much on the nature of the lava..

what i meant to lead up to is that sigma could use this to his advantage.. that sigma will be able to hold out against the lava longer than kuja can
imagine if sigma purposely excites and/or causes explosions and bursts in the lava.. sigma wont be as vulnerable as kuja and the dragon to the intensely hot lava spraying out in globs
sigma could survive and hold out against the lava (maybe even dive into the lava for a bit to do what he wants) and kuja and the dragon could quickly get seriously injured by the lava

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better way of explaining the kind of thing sigma could do.. ever see those shows where someone shoots like a huge blast into water.. and the water forms like a tidal wave cyclone type of thing around it? imagine sigma shooting a huge blast into the lava and having a huge tide of lava go through the arena

the giant forms dont seem to be affected by debris and rocks.. sigma in x4 was sucking and spitting rocks and debris

i jsut realized for space you were only referring to sigma's large transformed humongous forms.. not the ones where he usually has a humanoid body form

I wouldnt go as far as dive into lava. It wouldnt destroy is armor right away but it would weaken it greatly making spell deal even more destructive damage. There lot of place into the cavern is going high and it's not like Sigma can aim with the Lava. also, you just given me an idea. The Dragon can use his Psychokinesis to throw Lava at Sigma. The Twister (all), Shockwave (all) and Aerial Slash (all) could repel the lava making it fall down back on Sigma weakening his armor because of lava and receiving damage from the spell. Tidal Wave (all) could also be used to weaken the armor as passing from hot to much less hot to hot again is something destructive. So the lava would be playing for Kuja. I also doubt that the lava area is endlessly deep which would make it impossible to reach the higher part of the arena if it can even reach the half.

Edit:

Yeah, thats right i was talking about is huge form when lack of space not humanoid.

sigma could shoot a blast from far away.. maybe from high above into the lava
i know.. shoot one into the surroundings of the arena to generate a lot of debris and rocks and then mess with the lava
note the lava is sloshy liquid.. what kind of attack spells are those? would they repel the lava effectively enough?
skin contact with the lava would be really harsh on kuja and the dragon where it touches

btw was it established that sigma isnt allowed to combine abilities from different forms?
im sure if sigma wanted to he could install some kind of device to allow flying and teleportation
and how about the fact that sigma has a shield and light sabre and a power scythe in other forms? does he have access to those?
could sigma somehow have all the weapons from all his forms available at once?

hehe, the spell are very self explainatory.

Twister (all) is some twister.
Shockwave (all) is a shockwave.
Aerial Slash (all) is a extremly strong wind with plenty of debris.
As from how far away he shoot in lava wouldnt really matter. Projectile are always in a form where they can achive fastest speed. Which would mean it wouldnt make the lava go high. when you see some skilled fools jump into a pool there is barely anything that splash. It would create the same kind of effect with lava.

anyways the entire idea really is that if its possible to make the lava rise up for a little while.. sigma could hold off longer without being destroyed
maybe sigma could blow a hole where the source of lava is to fill the whole cavern
once kuja dies sigma can make his leave

the (energy) projectile will also explode when it makes contact.. that would give more force

perhaps sigma could use "the end" to cause a large explosion against the entire bottom surface flailing the lava up

hm.. i guess this lava idea is a bit of a stretch heh

It's not like the lava is on each side of the arena it's just at the bottom. Sigma projectile might melt too on contact
But the thing is if it explode the lava would be spilled toward the side not going straight up. Lol, yeah i think the lava idea is quite a bit of a stretch ehe. Still, your puting the effort into being active in zelaron melee which is a good thing

As i Deliver the last blow that settle the battle i say.
Kuja: "I single-handedly brought chaos unto Gaia. You actualy tought you were a match for me ?"


I dont think there is anything really to be had on either side.
So this battle is probably over
Sigma will be a spectator as he try to understand magic and trance. Still being repaired he wonder.
Sigma: "How can a he transform like that ?! He's not even a machine".

Lava can melt anything on contact, so not both of them are safe. Unless Sigma has an armor very resitant to magma.

There are no lava everywhere in this arena.
Just at the bottom
I Sigma would be much more resistant to lava then Kuja or the dragon. But Sigma cant really use the lava in any way without ending up hurting himself more. Because of previous statement i made
The lava would be hurting Kuja while on Sigma it would more start by weakening the armor in touched area.

Time's up! Closed.